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Toward the floor(log_2 n) dissociated-subset bound
Target
For a finite set let be the largest size of a dissociated subset, one whose distinct subsets have distinct sums. Problem 963, whose page records it as open, asks whether every nonempty -element real set has , that is, . Passing to the set of absolute values of the nonzero elements gives and , and the symmetric set shows that the target is equivalent to
An integer model preserving every ternary relation, positivity, order and every rational linear relation reduces both forms to positive integers (section "Proved reductions" of the earlier Problem 963 sketch, and Step 1 of the proof of L212). Translating the ambient set is not allowed: it changes relations whose coefficient sum is nonzero.
What is established
| Link | Statement | Standing |
|---|---|---|
| L22 | tier 2 | |
| graded pivot lemma | a pivot and companions at distinct 2-adic levels under a graded budget are dissociated | author-recorded |
| lattice form | elements with 2-adically distinct residues of total below are dissociated | author-recorded |
| realization lemma | every binary tree with leaves at given reals is the residue tree of an integer set at nearly proportional positions | author-recorded |
| L212, ratio two | implies and | tier 0 |
| L212, ratio | implies | tier 0 |
| odd case of L212 | odd with has | author-recorded, proved in L212 |
| L213 | , explicitly for | tier 0, uses L212 |
| L270 | at every fixed ratio , a recentered graded certificate can fail to supply the stronger odd extraction | tier 0; certificate obstruction only |
The links are L22, the binary residue-tree bound, the graded pivot lemma, its lattice form, its odd variant, the tree model and their limits, L212, the bounded-ratio bound, L213, its block-by-block consequence for all real sets, and L270, the split-leaf obstruction to the stronger odd certificate. Composing author-recorded arguments confers no tier; these three claims are complete arguments recorded by their author and have not been reviewed.
The route
Why a log is lost. In the binary residue tree a pivot with companions at distinct levels admits no relation whose coefficients sum to zero. A relation with coefficient sum must cancel , and 2-adically this is possible only at the level , which lies in a window of about levels above . L22 deletes that window. Archimedean size is the other handle: if the companions lie within total distance of the pivot, no multiple with can be cancelled. The graded pivot lemma combines the two, requiring for each window level only that the companions at levels have total distance below .
The averaging step. Write , , and . If nonzero coefficient sums of relations have magnitude at least , a pivot's cheapest companions must cost at least . The truncated cost is also defined at pivots with fewer than levels. The Kraft equality and an integer deficiency inequality give . Accounting for deficient pivots gives the opposite bound , where . Thus . The always available choice proves the sharp positive target at ratio ; gives the odd bound at ratio two, and summing valuation layers gives there. This uses the branching of the whole tree at every scale, including the short paths.
Arbitrary sets. L213 applies L212 in every dyadic block of the absolute values, extends one block's dissociated set by a doubling chain from alternate occupied blocks far above it, and chooses the block by a weighted pigeonhole. Its loss of order comes only from the gap of about blocks that a doubling chain must leave above a set of elements of comparable size.
Gaps
Gap 1: combining scales (constant loss for arbitrary sets). Prove for every finite real set. The case that the argument of L213 handles worst is a set whose mass is spread over about consecutive dyadic blocks with comparable counts: there a block gives about elements and nothing yet adds the missing . Two obstructions are recorded. A single pivot pays at least for a companion in another block, so its certificate sees one scale (the spread example there has certificate size 2 and dissociation number 7). A doubling chain above a set of elements near cannot start below . The first obstruction is removed by the lattice form of the pivot lemma: an element may enter a certificate with modulus through its residue for any integer , so its cost is its distance to the nearest multiple of , not to . On the spread example this certifies five elements where single-pivot certificates reach three. Four ideas are open:
- Folding by virtual points. The lattice lemma holds verbatim for a rational modulus with odd denominator, since only for integers and 2-adic valuations of the residues are used. Take with and odd, so that has residue . An element entered with an odd multiplier has residue : its level is the 2-adic distance between the virtual points and , and its cost is times their real distance. A certificate is thus a pivot and companions at distinct 2-adic distances in the set of virtual points, under a weighted archimedean budget, requiring a weighted extension of L212. Heuristically the scales then cancel: an element of the dyadic block times above the pivot's has about odd multipliers putting in the pivot's window, spaced about of the window apart, while its cost weight is about ; so at every weighted threshold each element contributes about as many cheap virtual points as an element of the pivot's own block. The missing step is the averaging: a uniform pivot of is usually a virtual point of large weight, whose cheap companions lie in correspondingly smaller cells, and a pivot distribution weighted toward small multipliers loses the Kraft equality. The weighted-folding note proves that repeated sources are automatically excluded under a strict total residue budget below the modulus. It also refutes a generic weighted Kraft packing inequality for arbitrary interval families. An averaging proof must use the special arithmetic families , rather than the Kraft equality alone. A modulus whose own residue is nonzero instead reintroduces the pivot problem as the Diophantine condition that the distance from to the nearest integer stay away from zero for , which costs about levels again.
- A sufficient condition. Call it (LC): every finite set of positive integers has a modulus whose lattice certificate has at least elements. (LC) implies , the positive form of the target, so it is at least as strong as the bound asked by Problem 963 and could fail where that bound holds. The weaker form with elements would settle Gap 1. The bounded searches recorded in the certificate note found no set violating (LC), and (LC) is exactly tight on the 13-point set of the problem page; this is an exploratory pattern, not a premise.
- Expensive high levels. Companions from other blocks may sit at levels above the window, where the graded lemma imposes no condition of their own. They still enter the window sums. If new companions each cost at most the pivot, the cheap-star extension lemma loses at most levels. Otherwise the deletion must reflect their actual total cost, not just their number. The obligation is a pivot whose own block, of elements, supplies the window levels cheaply while other blocks supply about new levels.
- Several pivots. Dominant-pivot sets in two blocks interact only through and through their small balanced combinations; a joint certificate would have to control both.
Gap 2: the last constant at ratio two. L212 proves the target at ratio . At ratio two it gives , while the target needs . Its constant comes from separately bounding the contributions of deficient pivots and the cost at each scale. The same proof gives dissociated elements in every positive integer set of ratio at most two whose residue tree has minimum leaf depth at least . The proof treats the highest valuation layer by the odd case and appends representatives from the lower layers. The general tree has shallow leaves. A sharper count of cheap dominant pivots cannot close the whole gap: the certificate note records a set of integers of ratio below with no dominant-pivot certificate of companions. It was found in a tree model, also recorded there, in which certificate questions become questions about binary trees with leaves on a line. The pivot's own valuation can enter through the graded lemma, which certifies eight companions in that set; free centers give another enlargement. Treating the valuation layers one at a time would need the stronger odd bound , the sufficient condition of the earlier sketch's odd-slice reduction, and certificates miss it on the [[research/sharp_dissociated_subset/pivot_certificates|five-point example ]], of dissociation number with at most two companions per certificate, and on a nine-element odd set of ratio below , of dissociation number with at most three. Searches in the tree model found no set of ratio at most with at most elements that defeats graded certificates with companions; this is an exploratory pattern, not a premise. Beyond certificates, relation information such as the full 2-adic expansion of remains available. Freely chosen centers give strictly stronger certificates, but the certificate note's exact 32-point obstruction rules out the sufficient claim that a free center always reduces a five-companion star's cost to the diameter. More decisively, L270's split-leaf construction defeats the stronger odd extraction by recentered graded certificates at every fixed ratio . Its explicit 65-element instance has no certificate with seven companions, although an eight-element dissociated subset is exhibited. Thus the stronger odd-slice route needs a method beyond one star in the prescribed tree. The floor-logarithmic certificate statement for a bounded-ratio set itself remains open.
Corrected orientation and retired routes
- The odd progressions are not extremal: for , checked exactly in the evidence of this folder. They do not witness sharpness of , and inequalities tuned to make them tight are not tuned to an extremal case.
- Arguments that cover a dyadic block by windows of ratio and run a residue tree in each window lose about levels per window and need about windows. This heuristic accounting gives about elements per block for every , the L22 loss. A route of this kind must couple the windows, as the multiscale averaging of L212 does.
- A graded certificate with the cheapest companions proves neither the stronger odd bound nor the target for sets spread over several scales; the two exact examples are in the certificate note.
- Raising the dominant-pivot count of L212 to companions on every set of ratio at most , and bounding the cheapest cost by the diameter instead of the pivot, both fail on exact sets in the certificate note. Reopening either needs information beyond the residue tree and the positions, such as the valuation of the pivot.
- Allowing a free center does not repair the diameter bound: the exact 32-point example in the certificate note has minimum centered star cost and diameter . Its minimizing star is nevertheless dissociated. This is a certificate obstruction, not an adverse example for the target.
- Recentered graded certificates cannot prove the stronger odd bound even at an arbitrarily small fixed aspect ratio above one. The split-leaf family of L270 forces too many low and high points into every sufficiently large star. Its 65-point integer example has an eight-element dissociated subset, so this is a limit of the certificate rather than a counterexample to the target.
- An unrestricted weighted-interval version of the Kraft estimate fails by an explicit construction with linear growth in the number of scales in the weighted-folding note. Folding remains open because its intervals have arithmetic constraints absent from that construction.
Next moves
- Attack Gap 1 through virtual points: find a pivot distribution on the virtual-point set under which the multiscale argument of L212 survives the multiplier weights, so that some rational modulus has cheap residues at about distinct 2-adic levels. A positive outcome gives , the constant-loss bound for all real sets, and a sharp enough one would bear on (LC). Adding single elements whose distance to exceeds the cost of a dominant-pivot set is the special case of the lattice form with one residue per element. Shrinking that cost by a factor loses about levels, while unstructured residues then admit only about added elements, so this special case does not close the gap by itself.
- Prove that graded or recentered certificates reach companions on every set of ratio at most . That would give the positive form for such sets, hence the target for real sets whose nonzero absolute values lie within a factor two. The count must go beyond dominant pivots, and treating valuation layers jointly avoids the stronger odd bound, which the split-leaf family prevents these certificates from proving. In the tree model of the valuation of a pivot is the depth at which it parts from the leaf , and every smaller difference level is free; an averaging over pivots that credits those free levels is the natural first attempt. A first sub-target is the odd-layer statement: every finite set of odd positive integers with has a pivot with companions satisfying the graded lemma. It is unproved; the searches recorded in the certificate note support it with a wide margin. It would give for every set of ratio at most , one level above L212. Let the nonempty valuation layers have sizes from the bottom. A pivot in the -th layer takes one free companion from each lower layer, at a level below its own valuation, together with its certificate inside its layer, scaled by a power of two. Each window level added by the larger count holds because every cost is at most the pivot. If every had , then and the sizes would sum to less than . The last unit toward the target must come from a companion in a higher layer, which enters at the pivot's own level under the budget , or from a larger count inside one layer.
- Use exact relation data: a relation with fixes modulo every power of two from the companions' digits. Counting the pairs compatible 2-adically before applying the archimedean bound could replace the crude budget .
- The cheap-star extension lemma in the certificate note shows that new levels from points at most lose only levels, independently of the original star's size. To use it across blocks, find a pivot that simultaneously has many cheap levels within its block and new levels below its scale. If all the other elements lie in one sibling subtree, they supply only one new level; points above the pivot's scale require their actual costs. No argument yet controls these two cases jointly.