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Problem 963
Statement. Let be the maximal such that in any set $A\subset \mathbb{R}$ of size there is a subset of size $\lvert B\rvert\geq k$ which is dissociated that is, the sums are distinct for all . Estimate - in particular, is it true that
Status. Open. The site labels the problem OPEN, with its note that no finite computation can settle it (page last edited 23 January 2026).
Source. erdosproblems.com/963, accessed 2026-09-04. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #963, https://www.erdosproblems.com/963.
References.
- [Er65] Erdős, P., Extremal problems in number theory. Proc. Sympos. Pure Math. VIII, Amer. Math. Soc. (1965), 181--189. Printed p. 188: the bound , called not difficult and given without proof, the question whether is attainable, and the example . Library home: erdos_1965_extremal_problems_number_theory.
- [Va99] Various, Some of Paul's favorite problems. Booklet produced for the conference "Paul Erdős and his mathematics", Budapest, July 1999 (1999); the site cites item 1.22.
Formalization. No external statement recorded.
Current assessment
The question (site formulation, page last edited 23 January 2026). The statement above; OPEN. The site's one remark records that Erdős noted the greedy bound . In [Er65] (p. 188) he calls the bound not difficult and prints no proof; the greedy argument, worked out on the card for that paper, takes a maximal dissociated , so that every element of is a combination of elements of with coefficients in and . The same paragraph of [Er65] asks whether is attainable and says that the example , , shows that this bound, if true, is nearly best possible: a dissociated -subset of has distinct subset sums in , so and . The known bounds are ; whether for every is the open question, and the problem has no claim page.
The finite comparison below rules out the initial interval as a universal minimizer of the largest dissociated-subset size. It does not resolve the logarithmic lower-bound question.
The site's discussion thread carries two arguments, neither a dated manuscript, so neither gets a claim page; the discussion card records the thread. In post 2027 (5 December 2025) KoishiChan claims that every -element set of reals contains a dissociated subset of size , by a recursion that dilates the set modulo a prime and finds well-populated progression cells through a character-sum second moment. The replies report an off-by-one defect, which the author says is fixed by lowering a parameter by one, and a review carried out with ChatGPT Pro, as the post names it, which found minor issues; on 23 January 2026 the site's curator, Thomas Bloom, wrote in post 3664 that the argument looked good to him and asked for a formal write-up; the site labels the problem OPEN and lists no proof claim (page last edited 23 January 2026). The bound is recorded here as an unverified community claim: an asymptotic lower bound, which would not by itself decide the question. In post 3658 (23 January 2026) a commenter claims the exact bound , labeling the proof AI-assisted; it rests on the unproved assertion that minimizes the largest dissociated subset among -element real sets, which post 3662 rejects and the 13-element example below refutes, so the argument gives neither a proof nor a disproof of the problem.
Search scope, 2026-10-06: the site's problem page (OPEN, last edited 23 January 2026, source keys [Er65] and [Va99, 1.22], no proof claims) and its discussion thread of 20 posts through 3 September 2026; the community database lists the problem as open and unformalized as of its last update, and formal-conjectures has no statement file for it.
Known Results
Write for the largest size of a dissociated subset of a finite real set . BAKKAOUI's posts 8701 and 8709, 3 September 2026, give the fixed set
with , whereas . The source-owned reconstruction gives the exact witnesses, all 1287 required five-subset checks, and the heredity and interval upper-bound arguments. Post 8709 corrects post 8701; the author says that AI agents assisted the searches and the literature check and that the displayed example was checked by hand in exact integer arithmetic.
Because is itself an allowed real set, this yields . It does not yield ; , so this example does not refute the catalog's proposed lower bound. It settles no instance of the question, so it has no claim page.
The larger searches through n=16 and window 34, the claimed OEIS identity and the negative literature search remain source-reported computations. Their bounded domains cannot establish the minimum over all real sets, the first possible positive-integer failure, or exceptional behavior at n=13.
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