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This page establishes the limit for the complete-hypergraph subclass. It does not establish the limit asked for in Problem 644.

A finite parameter

For fixed r≥3r\ge3, define

λr=min⁡F,wmax⁡i∈[r]∑F∋iwF,\lambda_r=\min_{\mathcal F,w}\max_{i\in[r]}\sum_{F\ni i}w_F,

where F⊆2[r]∖{∅}\mathcal F\subseteq2^{[r]}\setminus\{\varnothing\} is pairwise intersecting, wF≥0w_F\ge0, and ∑FwF=1\sum_Fw_F=1. There are finitely many possible supports, and each optimization is a rational linear program. Thus the minimum is attained and rational. Also 0<λr<10<\lambda_r<1: the upper inequality follows by taking all (r−1)(r-1)-subsets with equal weights.

Let g(k,r)g(k,r) be the largest transversal number among complete kk-uniform hypergraphs having the local two-point property. Then

g(k,r)=λr1−λrk+Or(1).(1)g(k,r)=\frac{\lambda_r}{1-\lambda_r}k+O_r(1). \tag{1}

Lower bound

Suppose A1,…,ArA_1,\ldots,A_r are kk-subsets of an nn-point set and have no two-point transversal. For each point xx, set

Fx={i:x∉Ai}.F_x=\{i:x\notin A_i\}.

These traces are nonempty and pairwise intersecting, since Fx∩Fy=∅F_x\cap F_y=\varnothing would say that x,yx,y cover every AiA_i. Give each trace its multiplicity divided by nn. Every coordinate has load (n−k)/n(n-k)/n, so

n−kn≥λr.\frac{n-k}{n}\ge\lambda_r.

Consequently the complete kk-uniform family has the local property whenever n<k/(1−λr)n<k/(1-\lambda_r). Its transversal number is n−k+1n-k+1, proving the lower bound in (1).

Matching upper bound within the complete subclass

Start with an optimal rational distribution on intersecting nonempty sets and write its coordinate loads as pi≤λrp_i\le\lambda_r. Enlarge sampled sets by inserting each missing coordinate ii with probability

λr−pi1−pi.\frac{\lambda_r-p_i}{1-p_i}.

These probabilities are rational. Enlargement preserves pairwise intersection, and the new distribution has every coordinate load exactly λr\lambda_r. Clearing denominators gives an integer n0n_0 and a bad family A1,…,ArA_1,\ldots,A_r of equal size

k0=(1−λr)n0k_0=(1-\lambda_r)n_0

on n0n_0 points.

Replace each point by qq identical copies to obtain a bad family of uniformity qk0qk_0 on qn0qn_0 points. For arbitrary sufficiently large kk, put q=⌊k/k0⌋q=\lfloor k/k_0\rfloor, and add k−qk0k-qk_0 private points to each edge. The resulting family is still bad: a private point in a purported two-cover can be replaced by any original point of its unique edge. Its ground-set size is

qn0+r(k−qk0)=k1−λr+Or(1).qn_0+r(k-qk_0)=\frac{k}{1-\lambda_r}+O_r(1).

Therefore the complete family on this many points fails the local property. Repeated edges, if any, can be removed; a bad subfamily of fewer than rr distinct edges can be extended to rr edges inside a sufficiently large complete family. This proves (1).

The seven-edge value

For an intersecting support family on seven coordinates, if a support member has size at most two then the sum of the loads on its coordinates is at least one. Hence the maximum load is at least 1/21/2. Otherwise every support member has size at least three, and averaging gives maximum load at least 3/73/7. Uniform weights on the seven lines of the Fano plane attain 3/73/7. Thus

λ7=3/7.\lambda_7=3/7.

In particular, the complete kk-uniform hypergraph on

n=⌈7k/4⌉−1n=\lceil7k/4\rceil-1

points gives the all-uniformities bound

f(k,7)≥⌈3k/4⌉.f(k,7)\ge\lceil3k/4\rceil.

There is also a direct proof. Since n<7k/4n<7k/4, seven kk-sets have total degree greater than 4n4n, so some point belongs to at least five of them. Since n<2kn<2k, the at most two remaining sets intersect. These two points cover the seven sets.

The supplied 1999 paper, Section 2, gives this complete construction for kk divisible by four and explains the Fano obstruction at n=7k/4n=7k/4. Its parity construction improves the transversal number by one on a subsequence; this does not change (1).

Equivalent fractional formulations

Section 4 of the independent record uses

Mr=max⁡{ν∗(F):F⊆2[r]∖{∅} is intersecting}.M_r=\max\{\nu^*(\mathcal F): \mathcal F\subseteq2^{[r]}\setminus\{\varnothing\} \text{ is intersecting}\}.

This is exactly 1/λr1/\lambda_r, not a different threshold. For a fixed support, dividing a probability distribution by its maximum coordinate load gives a feasible fractional matching. Conversely, normalizing a fractional matching of total weight MM gives maximum coordinate load at most 1/M1/M. Optimizing both statements proves the identity. Thus (1) strengthens the independent coefficient statement to

g(k,r)=kMr−1+Or(1).g(k,r)=\frac{k}{M_r-1}+O_r(1).

The same parameter gives the sharp sufficient fractional condition

τ∗(H)<ρr:=11−λr=MrMr−1⟹Pr(F)\tau^*(\mathcal H)<\rho_r:=\frac1{1-\lambda_r} =\frac{M_r}{M_r-1} \quad\Longrightarrow\quad P_r \tag{F}

for any finite family of nonempty edges, without a uniformity assumption. This is the weighted obstruction already proved in Convex-profile amplification. Indeed, a bad list of rr rows, repeating rows if necessary, maps normalized fractional-cover weights of total zz to intersecting complement spectra with coordinate loads at most 1−1/z1-1/z. Hence λr≤1−1/z\lambda_r\le1-1/z, or z≥ρrz\ge\rho_r.

The strict threshold is attained by a bad uniform family. Clear denominators in the balanced rational distribution constructed above, obtaining NN points and rows of size K=N(1−λr)>0K=N(1-\lambda_r)>0. Constant point weights 1/K1/K give fractional transversal number at most ρr\rho_r, while the preceding obstruction gives the reverse inequality. Repeated rows may be discarded without changing either the fractional constraints or the failure of a two-cover. For r=7r=7, the seven Fano caps give ρ7=7/4\rho_7=7/4, checking the independent record's §3.2 including strictness. This sufficient condition is not a characterization of PrP_r; parity families already have P7P_7 with fractional transversal number greater than 7/47/4.

The independent row-normalized linear programs

Section 4 of third independent record uses gr(k)g_r(k) for the minimum union size of a bad tuple, not the maximum complete-family transversal number g(k,r)g(k,r) used here. Using the at-most-rr convention, exactly,

gr(k)=g(k,r)+k.g_r(k)=g(k,r)+k.

Its LP constant is therefore

dr=ρr=11−λr,d7=74,d_r=\rho_r=\frac1{1-\lambda_r},\qquad d_7=\frac74,

and its gr(k)=drk+Or(1)g_r(k)=d_rk+O_r(1) is the same restricted limit theorem.

The proposed direct rounding proof is valid. For an admissible support Q⊆2[m]∖{∅}\mathcal Q\subseteq2^{[m]}\setminus\{\varnothing\}, m≤rm\le r, with S∪T≠[m]S\cup T\ne[m] for every S,T∈QS,T\in\mathcal Q, round an optimal solution of ∑S∋iwS=1\sum_{S\ni i}w_S=1 down to ⌊kwS⌋\lfloor kw_S\rfloor points of each spectrum. Each row needs only Or(1)O_r(1) private points to reach size kk. No support can be [m]∖{i}[m]\setminus\{i\}, because the row equation for ii supplies another positive-weight support containing ii. Thus adding singleton spectra cannot create a two-cover. Removing repeated rows does not change the transversal number. Conversely, dividing the multiplicities of any bad tuple by kk gives a feasible LP solution.

This verifies the alternative formulation, not a reduction of arbitrary families to complete families. A finite list of local spectrum supports still does not yield an unrestricted amplification or convergence theorem.

An upper bound in terms of the ground-set size

The same bad tuple gives a useful separate statement. Use the at-most-rr version of the local property here (equivalent to the stated version for families with at least (r) edges). Every such family on nn points has

τ(H)≤λrn+Or(1),\tau(\mathcal H)\le\lambda_r n+O_r(1),

regardless of its uniformity. Indeed, set q=⌊n/n0⌋q=\lfloor n/n_0\rfloor, replace every point of the threshold tuple constructed above by qq copies, and leave the other points unused. The resulting bad rr-tuple consists of qk0qk_0-subsets Ri⊆[n]R_i\subseteq[n]. If τ(H)>n−qk0\tau(\mathcal H)>n-qk_0, every RiR_i contains an edge of H\mathcal H, yielding a bad subfamily. Thus τ≤n−qk0=λrn+Or(1)\tau\le n-qk_0=\lambda_r n+O_r(1). Small values with q=0q=0 are absorbed in the constant.

For r=7r=7, the rounding can be sharpened as follows. Write n=7q+sn=7q+s, 0≤s≤60\le s\le6. Then

τ(H)≤3q+w(s),(w(0),…,w(6))=(0,1,2,2,2,3,3).(2)\tau(\mathcal H)\le3q+w(s),\qquad (w(0),\ldots,w(6))=(0,1,2,2,2,3,3). \tag{2}

This refinement, proposed in §5 of first independent record, has the following direct proof. Partition the ground set into seven classes, ss of size q+1q+1 and the rest of size qq, indexed by Fano points. For s=3s=3 place the larger classes on a noncollinear triple; for s=4s=4 place them on a cap. For the other values any placement works. Every line then contains at most w(s)w(s) larger classes.

The seven unions ULU_L of classes on a line have size at most 3q+w(s)3q+w(s) and collectively contain every pair of ground points, including pairs within one class. If the transversal number exceeded this bound, an edge could be chosen disjoint from each ULU_L. No pair would cover these at-most-seven edges, a contradiction. A singleton cover is excluded as well, since each point lies in some ULU_L. For the exactly-seven convention without a lower bound on the number of edges, replace the right side of (2) by its maximum with six.

In particular, the conjectured 3k/4+o(k)3k/4+o(k) upper bound holds when the entire ground set has size at most 7k/4+o(k)7k/4+o(k). No reduction to that size has been proved for arbitrary families.

Exact-rounding caution for the supplied survey

The 1997 survey, §16 (p. 85; library card), prints f(k,4)=[3k/2]f(k,4)=[3k/2] and f(k,5)=[5k/4]f(k,5)=[5k/4] with square brackets, which the card reads as ceilings and erdosproblems.com as the floors ⌊3k/2⌋\lfloor3k/2\rfloor and ⌊5k/4⌋\lfloor5k/4\rfloor, as repeated in the independent inputs, including §2.3 of second independent record. Both floor readings are inconsistent with elementary complete-family examples. Calling them reported background does not validate the exact formulas. This is distinct from the vacuous-small-family convention.

For r=4r=4, the complete kk-uniform family on ⌈5k/2⌉−1\lceil5k/2\rceil-1 points has P4P_4 and transversal number ⌈3k/2⌉\lceil3k/2\rceil. To prove the local property, a bad four-tuple would have point degrees at most two. Its edge-intersection graph has matching number at most one, since two intersecting pairs of rows would give a two-cover. Such a graph is contained in a star or a triangle. The star case requires three disjoint kk-sets. The triangle case requires one kk-set disjoint from three rows whose union has size at least ⌈3k/2⌉\lceil3k/2\rceil, by the degree bound. Both cases require at least ⌈5k/2⌉\lceil5k/2\rceil points. In particular, all triples on seven points have P4P_4 and transversal number five, not the quoted floor value four.

For r=5r=5, take all triples on six points. This twenty-edge family has transversal number four. If five edges lacked a two-cover, their five complementary triples would cover all 1515 pairs. They supply exactly 5(32)=155\binom32=15 pair occurrences, so every pair would occur exactly once. At a fixed vertex the five incident pairs would then give 2d(v)=52d(v)=5, where d(v)d(v) counts complementary triples through that vertex, an impossibility. Hence the family has P5P_5, although ⌊5⋅3/4⌋=3\lfloor5\cdot3/4\rfloor=3.

These checks do not establish corrected exact formulas for general kk. No argument here uses the disputed rounding, and the reported asymptotic coefficients are not challenged by these bounded discrepancies.

What is not established

Nothing here bounds arbitrary families by the complete-family coefficient. In particular, rationality of λr\lambda_r does not prove existence or rationality of the coefficient asked for in the problem. The missing general upper bound would be much stronger than (1).