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Problem 553

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Statement. Let R(3,3,n)R(3,3,n) denote the smallest integer mm such that if we 33-colour the edges of KmK_m then there is either a monochromatic triangle in one of the first two colours or a monochromatic KnK_n in the third colour. Define R(3,n)R(3,n) similarly but with two colours. Show that

R(3,3,n)R(3,n)→∞\frac{R(3,3,n)}{R(3,n)}\to \infty

as n→∞n\to \infty.

Formulation. The site's wording (the page shows no last-edited date). R(3,3,n)R(3,3,n) is the multicolor Ramsey number r(K3,K3,Kn)r(K_3,K_3,K_n) and R(3,n)R(3,n) the classical r(K3,Kn)r(K_3,K_n); the resolving paper writes rk(K3;Km)r_k(K_3;K_m) for kk triangles against KmK_m, so R(3,3,n)=r2(K3;Kn)R(3,3,n)=r_2(K_3;K_n) and R(3,n)=r1(K3;Kn)R(3,n)=r_1(K_3;K_n), with the site's nn the paper's mm. Both numbers are finite by Ramsey's theorem, and the question asks only that the ratio be unbounded, not for its rate.

Status. Proved. The status-defining source is Theorem 3.2 of Alon and Rödl, Combinatorica 25 (2005), 125--141 (refereed): rk(K3;Km)=Θ~(mk+1)r_k(K_3;K_m)=\tilde\Theta(m^{k+1}) for every fixed k≥1k\ge1, that is, mk+1m^{k+1} up to polylogarithmic factors. Its case k=2k=2 against its case k=1k=1 (which is the Ajtai--Komlós--Szemerédi and Kim value r(K3,Km)=Θ(m2/log⁡m)r(K_3,K_m)=\Theta(m^2/\log m), cited in the proof) gives R(3,3,n)/R(3,n)≥Ω(n/(log⁡n)3+δ)R(3,3,n)/R(3,n)\ge\Omega(n/(\log n)^{3+\delta}) for every δ>0\delta>0, so the ratio tends to infinity; the paper states Conjecture 1.1 in the problem's words and says it is solved "in a strong form". The site's commentary records the same resolution. The claim page Alon and Rödl 2005 records the theorem, its publication and the acceptance evidence (the curator's credit and the refereed venue); the frontmatter standing is derived from it.

Source. erdosproblems.com/553, accessed 2026-09-17: the problem page (PROVED, the label the site gives a problem solved in the affirmative; source key [ErSo80]; no last-edited date shown), its empty discussion thread and its empty proof-claim tab. The site cites [AlRo05] and [Sh83] in its commentary and links OEIS A000791. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #553, https://www.erdosproblems.com/553, accessed 2026-09-17.

References.

  • [AlRo05] Alon, N. and Rödl, V., Sharp bounds for some multicolor Ramsey numbers. Combinatorica 25 (2005), no. 2, 125--141, doi:10.1007/s00493-005-0011-9. Pages and statement numbers are those of the authors' "Final Version" manuscript (15 pages) on Alon's publication list: Conjecture 1.1, p. 2; Theorem 3.2, p. 6. Library home: alon_2005_sharp_bounds_some_multicolor_ramsey_numbers.
  • [ErSo80] Erdős, P. and Sós, V. T., Problems and results on Ramsey--Turán type theorems. Proceedings of the West Coast Conference on Combinatorics, Graph Theory and Computing (Arcata, 1979), Congressus Numerantium XXVI (1980), 17--23. The site's source and [AlRo05]'s reference [15]; not held.
  • [Sh83] Shearer, J. B., A note on the independence number of triangle-free graphs. Discrete Math. 46 (1983), no. 1, 83--87, doi:10.1016/0012-365X(83)90273-X. The site's source for R(3,n)≪n2/log⁡nR(3,n)\ll n^2/\log n: Theorem 1, printed p. 83, the independence bound α≥n(dln⁡d−d+1)/(d−1)2\alpha\ge n(d\ln d-d+1)/(d-1)^2 for triangle-free graphs of average degree dd, from which R(3,n)≤(1+o(1))n2/log⁡nR(3,n)\le(1+o(1))n^2/\log n follows by the elementary step recorded on its result page. Library home: shearer_1983_note_independence_number_triangle_free_graphs; paged at theorem_1. It is not the Shearer paper [AlRo05]'s proof uses, which is [Sh95].
  • [Sh95] Shearer, J. B., On the independence number of sparse graphs. Random Structures Algorithms 7 (1995), no. 3, 269--271, doi:10.1002/rsa.3240070305. The independence bound in the proof of Theorem 3.2 ([AlRo05]'s reference [22]): Corollary 1, printed p. 271, α≥c(r) nln⁡d/(dln⁡ln⁡d)\alpha\ge c(r)\,n\ln d/(d\ln\ln d) for KrK_r-free graphs (r≥4r\ge4) on nn vertices with maximum degree dd and large dd, the constant not explicit. Library home: shearer_1995_independence_number_sparse_graphs; paged at corollary_1.
  • [AKS80] Ajtai, M., Komlós, J. and Szemerédi, E., A note on Ramsey numbers. J. Combin. Theory Ser. A 29 (1980), no. 3, 354--360, DOI 10.1016/0097-3165(80)90030-8. The upper bound r(K3,Km)=O(m2/log⁡m)r(K_3,K_m)=O(m^2/\log m), [AlRo05]'s reference [2]: Theorem 3, printed p. 358, R(3,x)<100x2/ln⁡xR(3,x)<100x^2/\ln x, from Theorem 2, printed p. 355. Library home: ajtai_1980_note_ramsey_numbers; paged at theorem_2 and theorem_3.
  • [Ki95] Kim, J. H., The Ramsey number R(3,t)R(3,t) has order of magnitude t2/log⁡tt^2/\log t. Random Structures Algorithms 7 (1995), 173--207. The matching lower bound, [AlRo05]'s reference [17]. Library home: kim_1995_ramsey_number_has_order_magnitude; paged at theorem_1_1.
  • [HeWi20] He, X. and Wigderson, Y., Multicolor Ramsey numbers via pseudorandom graphs. Electron. J. Combin. 27 (2020); arXiv:1910.06287 (v3 8 February 2020). Cited for its abstract; recorded below.

Formalization. A Lean proof of the solution in Boris Alexeev's repository, naming Alon and Rödl as informal authors, is linked on the claim page; this corpus has not built it. No file ErdosProblems/553.lean exists in formal-conjectures (main); the site's page records no formalized statement, and the community database (teorth/erdosproblems) records the problem as proved and unformalized, with no formal-proof URL.

Current assessment

The question (site formulation). The statement above; status PROVED, the site's label for a problem solved in the affirmative; source key [ErSo80]. The commentary attributes the problem to Erdős and Sós and credits its solution to Alon and Rödl [AlRo05], adding that their work locates R(3,3,n)R(3,3,n) at n3n^3 times a power of log⁡n\log n; for comparison it recalls that Shearer [Sh83] showed R(3,n)≪n2/log⁡nR(3,n)\ll n^2/\log n. It places the problem as #22 in the Ramsey Theory section of the graphs collection and points to [925]. There are no comments and no proof claims; the page links OEIS A000791 (the values of R(3,n)R(3,n)). The community database record says proved (last updated 31 August 2025), not formalized.

Status-defining source. [AlRo05], cited by the pages of the authors' final manuscript. Its Conjecture 1.1 (Erdős and Sós, [15]) is lim⁡m→∞r(K3,K3,Km)/r(K3,Km)=∞\lim_{m\to\infty}r(K_3,K_3,K_m)/r(K_3,K_m)=\infty, the problem's statement, introduced by "Even the asymptotic behaviour of r(K3,K3,Km)r(K_3,K_3,K_m) has been very poorly understood" and followed by "In particular we show that r(K3,K3,Km)=Θ(m3 polylog⁡m)r(K_3,K_3,K_m)=\Theta(m^3\,\mathrm{poly}\log m), thus solving, in a strong form, the above mentioned conjecture." Theorem 3.2 (p. 6): for every fixed k≥1k\ge1, rk(K3;Km)=Θ~(mk+1)r_k(K_3;K_m)=\tilde\Theta(m^{k+1}), where Θ~\tilde\Theta means equality up to polylogarithmic factors (p. 3). The proof states the bounds explicitly: for k=1k=1, r(K3,Km)=Θ(m2/log⁡m)r(K_3,K_m)=\Theta(m^2/\log m) "as proved by Ajtai, Komlós and Szemerédi [2] and by Kim [17]"; for every fixed kk, rk(K3;Km)≤ckmk+1(log⁡log⁡m)k−1/(log⁡m)kr_k(K_3;K_m)\le c_km^{k+1}(\log\log m)^{k-1}/(\log m)^k, the (log⁡log⁡m)k−1(\log\log m)^{k-1} factor removable by an observation of Sudakov (Remark, p. 7); and rk(K3;Km)≥Ω(mk+1/(log⁡m)2k+δ)r_k(K_3;K_m)\ge\Omega(m^{k+1}/(\log m)^{2k+\delta}) for every δ>0\delta>0 and large mm, from blow-ups of Alon's explicit triangle-free pseudorandom graphs together with random shifts (Lemma 3.1) and a count of large independent sets in (n,d,λ)(n,d,\lambda)-graphs (Theorem 2.1). With k=2k=2 and k=1k=1,

R(3,3,n)R(3,n)≥Ω(n3/(log⁡n)4+δn2/log⁡n)=Ω(n(log⁡n)3+δ)→∞,\frac{R(3,3,n)}{R(3,n)}\ge\Omega\Bigl(\frac{n^3/(\log n)^{4+\delta}}{n^2/\log n}\Bigr)=\Omega\Bigl(\frac{n}{(\log n)^{3+\delta}}\Bigr)\to\infty,

which is the statement. The step from the two displayed bounds to the divergence is elementary; the bounds themselves rest on the paper. Acceptance evidence: Combinatorica is refereed, and the Crossref record places the article in volume 25, issue 2, March 2005; the locators are those of the authors' final manuscript, which has not been compared with the journal typesetting. Read depth: Conjecture 1.1, Theorem 3.2, the two bounds inside its proof and the Remark are checked as claims; the proof is followed for structure only. The k=1k=1 input is cited, not proved, in the paper: the upper bound is [AKS80]'s Theorem 3 (printed p. 358, R(3,x)<100x2/ln⁡xR(3,x)<100x^2/\ln x, with a four-sentence proof) and the lower bound [Ki95]'s Theorem 1.1; the site credits the upper bound to [Sh83], whose Theorem 1 (p. 83) sharpens the constant of [AKS80]'s Theorem 2 (p. 355: α(G)≥0.01(n/t)ln⁡t\alpha(G)\ge0.01(n/t)\ln t for triangle-free GG of average degree tt, stated in [Sh83] as α>nln⁡d/(100d)\alpha>n\ln d/(100d) for d≥d0d\ge d_0 and credited there to the same authors' Sidon-sequence paper), and gives R(3,n)≤(1+o(1))n2/log⁡nR(3,n)\le(1+o(1))n^2/\log n by the elementary step on its result page.

Best known bounds, not status. From [AlRo05] with Sudakov's remark, Ω(n3/(log⁡n)4+δ)≤R(3,3,n)≤O(n3/(log⁡n)2)\Omega(n^3/(\log n)^{4+\delta})\le R(3,3,n)\le O(n^3/(\log n)^2); the site's n3(log⁡n)O(1)n^3(\log n)^{O(1)} is this up to the exponent. The abstract of [HeWi20] states, for fixed s1,…,sk≥3s_1,\ldots,s_k\ge3 with S=∑(si−2)S=\sum(s_i-2) and under the existence of weakly optimal KsiK_{s_i}-free pseudorandom graphs, Ω(tS+1/log⁡2St)≤r(s1,…,sk,t)≤O(tS+1/log⁡St)\Omega(t^{S+1}/\log^{2S}t)\le r(s_1,\ldots,s_k,t)\le O(t^{S+1}/\log^St), and presents this as generalizing the Alon--Rödl case s1=⋯=sk=3s_1=\cdots=s_k=3; for two triangles (S=2S=2) that reads Ω(n3/log⁡4n)≤R(3,3,n)≤O(n3/log⁡2n)\Omega(n^3/\log^4n)\le R(3,3,n)\le O(n^3/\log^2n), the same polylogarithmic gap. Only the paper's abstract is cited, and the exact power of log⁡n\log n in R(3,3,n)R(3,3,n) is open in the sources searched; it is not the problem's question.

Search scope. None of the routes below found a dispute, a retraction or a sharper determination of R(3,3,n)R(3,3,n).

  • The site: problem page, discussion thread and proof-claim tab; the community database record; the formal-conjectures directory on main (no file 553).
  • The primary source: [AlRo05] pp. 1--3, 6, 7 and 13--15 of the authors' final manuscript.
  • arXiv API metadata searches: abs:"multicolor Ramsey" AND abs:triangle (seven records, the 2026 items on odd cycles, vector spaces and hypergraph paths), abs:Ramsey AND abs:"K_3" AND abs:"three colors" (none) and abs:"Erdős" AND abs:"Sós" AND abs:Ramsey (thirty records, none on this ratio); the abstracts of 1910.06287 and 2110.09799.
  • Crossref: the records of [AlRo05] (bibliographic query) and [Sh83] (DOI).
  • Semantic Scholar: the citation list of [AlRo05] (eighty records, scanned by title; the 2019--2026 items concern pseudorandom multicolor constructions, Erdős--Rogers functions, off-diagonal and ordered variants, none this problem's ratio).
  • The publisher's download of [Sh83] (access refused, HTTP 403).

Not searched: MathSciNet, zbMATH, Google Scholar, X. Not held: [ErSo80]. OEIS A000791 was not fetched. [Sh83], [AKS80] and [Sh95] were carded in the library after the search.

Remaining gaps. (1) Proof coverage is statements only: Theorem 3.2 is paged at claims checked with its proof followed for structure, and nothing is independently reviewed; the problem's proof to compile is Theorem 3.2 with Theorem 2.1 and Lemma 3.1 of [AlRo05]. (2) The k=1k=1 base case rests on [AKS80] and [Ki95], cited in the paper; [AKS80]'s Theorem 3 and [Ki95]'s Theorem 1.1 are paged at statement depth on their result pages; the site's attribution to [Sh83] names a sharper constant, paged at statement depth on its result page, and the Shearer paper the proof uses, [Sh95], has its Corollary 1 paged at statement depth (its one-paragraph proof followed, the proof of the theorem it reduces to followed for structure only). (3) The journal text of [AlRo05] has not been compared with the authors' final manuscript.

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