Wiki
Wiki

Research notes on every problem, and a library of the papers behind them. Built from the open erdos repository.

Updated

Problem 1069

../

claims/: The 1 claim page of Problem 1069, one per claimant's result; the problem's standing derives from them.


Statement. Given any nn points in R2\mathbb{R}^2, the number of kk-rich lines (lines which contain ≥k\geq k of the points) is, provided k≤n1/2k\leq n^{1/2},

≪n2k3.\ll \frac{n^2}{k^3}.

Statement (corrected). Given any nn points in R2\mathbb{R}^2, the number of kk-rich lines (lines which contain ≥k\geq k of the points) is, provided 2≤k≤n1/22\leq k\leq n^{1/2},

≪n2k3.\ll \frac{n^2}{k^3}.

Notes. The site's wording (page last edited 2 October 2025) fails at k=1k=1, which its range admits for every n≥1n\ge1: every line through one of the points is 11-rich, so there are infinitely many 11-rich lines and no bound ≪n2\ll n^2 holds. The failure is this page's own elementary check, and it is the only one: at k=2k=2 each 22-rich line is determined by two of the points, so there are at most (n2)<4 n2/23\binom n2<4\,n^2/2^3 of them. The change inserts "2≤2\leq" before "k≤n1/2k\leq n^{1/2}"; the upper end is Erdős's print and stays. The defect is already in the poser's text: Erdős [Er87b, Section 2, p. 169] states the conjecture of Croft, Purdy and Erdős "for k≤n1/2k\leq n^{1/2}", with no lower end, and in the next sentence reports it "proved by Szemerédi and Trotter". Szemerédi and Trotter state their Theorem 2 for k≤nk\leq\sqrt n (p. 382) and restate and prove it for 2≤k≤n2\leq k\leq\sqrt n (p. 389), the form inserted here. That range is used because two sources corroborate it as the problem's form: Erdős's own report that the theorem settles the conjecture, and the site's curator, whose label SOLVED and commentary ("This is true, and was proved by Szemerédi and Trotter [SzTr83]") read the statement as the theorem proves it. The same range is also exactly the exclusion of the one value, k=1k=1, at which no finite count is possible. The form was fixed from Erdős's report, the site's reading and the exclusion of k=1k=1, not from the theorem's hypothesis range alone. No result concerns the site's wording alone.

Formulation. Erdős [Er87b, Section 2, p. 169] states the problem as a conjecture of Croft, Purdy and Erdős: if nn points in the plane are given, then for k≤n1/2k\leq n^{1/2} the number of distinct lines which contain at least kk of them is less than cn2/k3cn^2/k^3. The site writes "less than cn2/k3cn^2/k^3" as ≪n2/k3\ll n^2/k^3, with an absolute implied constant. Szemerédi and Trotter (p. 381) present their Theorem 2 as settling a conjecture of Erdős and Purdy. At k=n1/2k=n^{1/2} the bound says that fewer than cn1/2cn^{1/2} lines contain at least n1/2n^{1/2} of the points, which Erdős contrasts with a finite geometry, where n=p2+p+1n=p^2+p+1 points lie on nn lines of p+1>np+1>\sqrt n points each.

Status. The site labels the problem SOLVED and credits Szemerédi and Trotter (1983); the label and the commentary describe the corrected Statement. Proved: Theorem 2 of Szemerédi and Trotter (Combinatorica 3 (1983), 381--392, refereed) gives fewer than c n2/k3c\,n^2/k^3 lines with at least kk of the points for every 2≤k≤n1/22\le k\le n^{1/2}; see the claim page.

Source. erdosproblems.com/1069, accessed 2026-09-04. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #1069, https://www.erdosproblems.com/1069.

References.

  • [Er87b] Erdős, P., Some combinatorial and metric problems in geometry. Intuitive geometry (Siófok, 1985) (1987), 167-177.
  • [Sa87] Sah, Chih-Han, The rich line problem of P. Erdős. (1987), 123-125.
  • [SzTr83] Szemerédi, Endre and Trotter, Jr., William T., Extremal problems in discrete geometry. Combinatorica (1983), 381-392.

Formalization. None recorded.

Progress

Not yet compiled.

Known Results

Not yet compiled.

Linked library material

These entries are derived from explicit links on library pages. They are navigation only and do not by themselves record mathematical progress.