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Problem 563

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Statement. Let F(n,α)F(n,\alpha) denote the smallest mm such that there exists a 22-colouring of the edges of KnK_n so that every X⊆[n]X\subseteq [n] with ∣X∣≥m\lvert X\rvert\geq m contains more than α(∣X∣2)\alpha \binom{\lvert X\rvert}{2} many edges of each colour.

Prove that, for every 0≤α<1/20\leq \alpha< 1/2,

F(n,α)∼cαlog⁡nF(n,\alpha)\sim c_\alpha\log n

for some constant cαc_\alpha depending only on α\alpha.

Formulation. The site's wording as of 2026-09-18 (page last edited 18 January 2026). If a coloring gives both colors more than an α\alpha share of the pairs on every set of at least mm vertices, it does so on every set of at least m′m' vertices for each m′≥mm'\ge m, so the admissible thresholds form an up-set and the smallest of them is the meaningful quantity. The endpoint α=1/2\alpha=1/2 is excluded because no set can have more than half of its pairs in each color. At α=0\alpha=0 the condition says that no set of mm or more vertices is monochromatic, so F(n,0)F(n,0) is the least mm with R(m,m)>nR(m,m)>n, the inverse of the diagonal Ramsey function, as the site's commentary says. The statement asks that F(n,α)/log⁡nF(n,\alpha)/\log n converge to a positive constant for each fixed α\alpha; the base of the logarithm changes cαc_\alpha by a constant factor and nothing else.

Erdős's own wording (1990, printed p. 21) defines Fk(r)(n,α)F_k^{(r)}(n,\alpha), for splits of the rr-tuples of an nn-set into kk classes, as "the smallest integer for which it is possible" to make every class exceed the α\alpha share on every set of at least that many elements; states the two-sided bound (29) for r=2r=2 "for every 0≤α≤1k0\le\alpha\le\frac1k"; and asks in display (30) for Fk(2)(n,α)=(ck+o(1))log⁡nF_k^{(2)}(n,\alpha)=(c_k+o(1))\log n. The site's problem is the case k=2k=2. The printed range carries the endpoint α≤1/2\alpha\le1/2, which is impossible as just said; Erdős's next sentence, "ck′(α)→∞c_k'(\alpha)\to\infty as α→1/k\alpha\to1/k", treats the endpoint as excluded, so the site's "<1/2<1/2" is the intended range. The site's discussion thread raised this endpoint on 17 January 2026 (a comment that credits the observation to ChatGPT), and the site's curator replied on 18 January 2026 that he takes the printed ≤1/2\le1/2 for a misprint in [Er90b]; the printed text carries the misprint, and Erdős's next sentence makes it harmless. Erdős prints the constant of (30) as ckc_k without showing a dependence on α\alpha; the site's cαc_\alpha makes the dependence explicit, and the bound (29) requires it. Conlon, Fox and Sudakov (2008, Section 6.2) restate the function as "the largest integer for which it is possible" to split; since the admissible thresholds form an up-set, "largest" gives no meaningful quantity, so this page follows the site's and Erdős's "smallest" and records the paper's wording as printed.

Status. Open, the site's label; no claim about the problem exists. The only known results are the two-sided bound cα′log⁡n<F(n,α)<cα′′log⁡nc_\alpha'\log n<F(n,\alpha)<c_\alpha''\log n for 0≤α<1/20\le\alpha<1/2, asserted without proof by Erdős in 1990 ("The probability method easily gives", display (29)) and by Conlon, Fox and Sudakov in 2008 ("It is easy to show"), and quoted by the site's commentary as F(n,α)≍αlog⁡nF(n,\alpha)\asymp_\alpha\log n. No source proving that F(n,α)/log⁡nF(n,\alpha)/\log n converges, or determining cαc_\alpha for any α\alpha, was found in the search whose scope the Current assessment records. An observation made here: since F(n,0)F(n,0) is the least mm with R(m,m)>nR(m,m)>n, the case α=0\alpha=0 of the statement, F(n,0)∼c0log⁡nF(n,0)\sim c_0\log n, holds exactly when log⁡R(k,k)∼k/c0\log R(k,k)\sim k/c_0, that is, when lim⁡k→∞R(k,k)1/k\lim_{k\to\infty}R(k,k)^{1/k} exists (Problem 77), with c0c_0 the reciprocal of the logarithm of that limit; so the problem contains the existence half of Problem 77 as its α=0\alpha=0 case. This is a bounded negative finding, not a certificate of openness.

Source. erdosproblems.com/563, accessed 2026-09-18: the problem page (OPEN, with the site's note that no finite computation can settle it; last edited 18 January 2026; source key [Er90b, p. 21]), its two-comment discussion thread (17 and 18 January 2026) and its empty proof-claim tab. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #563, https://www.erdosproblems.com/563, accessed 2026-09-18.

References.

  • [Er90b] Erdős, P., Problems and results on graphs and hypergraphs: similarities and differences. In: Nešetřil, J. and Rödl, V. (eds.), Mathematics of Ramsey Theory, Algorithms and Combinatorics 5, Springer (1990), 12--28; the definition and displays (29)--(30) on p. 21, the hypergraph continuation on pp. 21--22. Library home: erdos_1990_problems_results_graphs_hypergraphs_similarities_differences.
  • [CFS10] Conlon, D., Fox, J. and Sudakov, B., Hypergraph Ramsey numbers. J. Amer. Math. Soc. 23 (2010), no. 1, 247--266, DOI 10.1090/S0894-0347-09-00645-6; arXiv:0808.3760v1 (27 August 2008). Section 6.2, p. 16 of the preprint. Library home: conlon_2008_hypergraph_ramsey_numbers.

Formalization. Statement only. The file ErdosProblems/563.lean of formal-conjectures declareserdos_563 : ∀ (α : ℝ), 0 ≤ α → α < 1 / 2 → ∃ (c : ℝ), 0 < c ∧ Tendsto (fun n : ℕ => (F n α : ℝ) / Real.log n) atTop (nhds c) under category research open, with proof sorry, where F n α is the least m for which some simple graph on Fin n (one color class) has, on every vertex set X with m ≤ |X|, strictly more than α times (∣X∣2)\binom{|X|}2 edges and strictly fewer than 1 - α times (∣X∣2)\binom{|X|}2 edges; that is the site's definition, the other color's share being the complement. The community database, records the problem open (last changed 31 August 2025), the statement formalized since 9 September 2026, and no formal proof; the site's formalized-statement indicator read yes.

Current assessment

The question (site formulation of 2026-09-18). The statement above; OPEN, with the site's note that no finite computation can settle it; last edited 18 January 2026. The commentary asserts, as easy to show by the probabilistic method, that F(n,α)≍αlog⁡nF(n,\alpha)\asymp_\alpha\log n for every 0≤α<1/20\le\alpha<1/2; notes that at α=0\alpha=0 the condition forbids a monochromatic clique on mm vertices, so the classical Ramsey numbers return; points to Problem 161 for the hypergraph version; and lists the problem as number 39 of the Ramsey theory section of the site's graphs problem collection. The thread holds the two comments of 17 and 18 January 2026 on the endpoint α=1/2\alpha=1/2 described under Formulation; the proof-claim tab is empty.

The origin. Erdős's 1990 chapter, printed p. 21, page problem_p21: after the Erdős--Hajnal investigations of Ramsey thresholds the chapter turns to "another somewhat later paper (which also was forgotten and ignored by everybody)", not named on the page, defines Fk(r)(n,α)F_k^{(r)}(n,\alpha) as above, states display (29), ck′(α)log⁡n<Fk(2)(n,α)<ck′′(α)log⁡nc_k'(\alpha)\log n<F_k^{(2)}(n,\alpha)<c_k''(\alpha)\log n, with "ck′(α)→∞c_k'(\alpha)\to\infty as α→1/k\alpha\to1/k", and continues: "Thus again no great mysteries remain for r=2r=2 though it would be nice to sharpen (29) and prove that" display (30), Fk(2)(n,α)=(ck+o(1))log⁡nF_k^{(2)}(n,\alpha)=(c_k+o(1))\log n. The graph case is thus stated as a sharpening Erdős would like, without a conjecture word; the site's "Prove that" is its formulation. The chapter then turns to rr-tuples with two classes (pp. 21--22): displays (31)--(32), the question whether F2(r)(n,α)F_2^{(r)}(n,\alpha) changes continuously or in jumps as α\alpha grows from 00 to 1/21/2, and an offer for clearing it up; that is the site's Problem 161, the hypergraph generalization the commentary points to, and it is not this problem.

What is known. The two-sided logarithmic bound only. Erdős asserts (29) with the words "The probability method easily gives" and no argument; Conlon, Fox and Sudakov's Section 6.2 (arXiv v1, p. 16) restates the function for two classes and kk-tuples, notes that F(k)(N,0)F^{(k)}(N,0) "is essentially the inverse function" of the Ramsey number rk(n,n)r_k(n,n), and asserts "It is easy to show that for 0≤α<1/20\le\alpha<1/2, c(α)log⁡N<F(2)(N,α)<c′(α)log⁡Nc(\alpha)\log N<F^{(2)}(N,\alpha)<c'(\alpha)\log N", again without proof; the rest of their section concerns k≥3k\ge3 (Theorem 6.2, a subset of size (log⁡N)β(\log N)^\beta with more than (1−η)(sk)(1-\eta)\binom sk kk-sets in one color, and Erdős's jump question). Neither source proves the bound, and this page does not reconstruct it. Nothing found bounds F(n,α)/log⁡nF(n,\alpha)/\log n more closely than between two constants, for any α\alpha; the value of cαc_\alpha, if the limit exists, is unknown for every α\alpha, including α=0\alpha=0, where by the observation under Status its existence is the existence of lim⁡R(k,k)1/k\lim R(k,k)^{1/k} asked by Problem 77.

Search scope. None of the routes below found a proof that F(n,α)/log⁡nF(n,\alpha)/\log n converges, a value of cαc_\alpha, or a proof claim.

  • The site: problem page, discussion thread and proof-claim tab; formal-conjectures 563.lean at the commit linked above; the community database as of 2026-09-18.
  • arXiv: the abstract page of 0808.3760 (one version, no journal reference carried); the API queries abs:Ramsey AND (abs:"both colours" OR abs:"both colors" OR abs:"each colour" OR abs:"each color") AND abs:"two-colouring" (no records) and abs:Ramsey AND abs:density AND abs:"every subset" AND abs:colouring (no records); the abstracts of 2402.05286 (Pudlák and Rödl, two-colorings of kk-sets with low discrepancy on small sets), 1610.06359 (Kang, Patel and Regts, the degree-based quasi-Ramsey numbers of Erdős and Pach) and 0901.3912 (Conlon, Fox and Sudakov, almost monochromatic subsets in hypergraphs), which concern hypergraph or degree-based relatives and state nothing about F(n,α)F(n,\alpha) for graphs. The API searches titles and abstracts only, so its zeros are weak.
  • Crossref: the journal record of [CFS10].
  • Semantic Scholar: the 127 records citing [CFS10], scanned by title; none names the two-color density threshold for graphs.
  • The primary sources: [Er90b] pp. 17--22; [CFS10] (arXiv v1) pp. 1 and 16--18.

Not searched: MathSciNet, zbMATH, Google Scholar, X.

Remaining gaps. (1) No source proves the statement or refutes it; the two-sided bound (29) is asserted without proof in both sources and is not reconstructed here, so even F(n,α)≍αlog⁡nF(n,\alpha)\asymp_\alpha\log n rests on the authors' assertions. (2) The chapter does not name the earlier Erdős paper behind the passage, so that paper's form of the question is unknown. (3) [CFS10] is cited from its arXiv v1; the published text may differ. (4) The printed endpoint "≤1/2\le1/2" is a misprint that Erdős's own next sentence excludes, as the Formulation records; the site's "<1/2<1/2" is the intended range. (5) The α=0\alpha=0 case is the existence question of Problem 77; a resolution for every α∈[0,1/2)\alpha\in[0,1/2) would settle it. (6) Problem 161, the chapter's hypergraph continuation, is not assessed here.

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