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Problem 210
claims/: The 4 claim pages of Problem 210, one per claimant's result; the problem's standing derives from them.
Statement. Let be minimal such that the following holds. For any points in , not all on a line, there must be at least many lines which contain exactly 2 points (called 'ordinary lines'). Does $f(n)\to \infty$? How fast?
Statement (corrected). Let be maximal such that the following holds. For any points in , not all on a line, there must be at least many lines which contain exactly 2 points (called 'ordinary lines'). Does ? How fast?
Notes. The site writes "minimal". Read as the site words it, every up to the least number of ordinary lines has the stated property, so the minimal such is and the first question fails trivially. The site's commentary means the least number of ordinary lines spanned by points in the plane, not all on a line: it calls the Sylvester-Gallai theorem and credits Motzkin, Kelly and Moser, Csima and Sawyer, and Green and Tao with lower bounds for that quantity. That quantity is the largest with the property, so the only change is "minimal" to "maximal". The claim pages are scoped against this Statement.
Status. Proved.
Source. erdosproblems.com/210, accessed 2026-09-04. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #210, https://www.erdosproblems.com/210.
References.
- [CsSa93] Csima, J. and Sawyer, E. T., There exist ordinary points. Discrete Comput. Geom. (1993), 187-202.
- [GrTa13] Green, Ben and Tao, Terence, On sets defining few ordinary lines. Discrete Comput. Geom. (2013), 409-468.
- [KeMo58] Kelly, L. M. and Moser, W. O. J., On the number of ordinary lines determined by points. Canadian J. Math. (1958), 210-219.
- [Mo51] Motzkin, Th., The lines and planes connecting the points of a finite set. Trans. Amer. Math. Soc. (1951), 451-464.
Formalization. None recorded.
Current assessment
The question has two parts: whether the least number of ordinary lines (lines through exactly two of the points) determined by points in the plane, not all on one line, tends to infinity, and how fast it grows. The Sylvester-Gallai theorem, conjectured by Sylvester in 1893, rediscovered by Erdős in 1933 and proved by Gallai, gives ; the growth question is due to Erdős and de Bruijn.
Both parts are answered, by four accepted claims. Motzkin (1951) proves , with a bound of order . Kelly and Moser (1958) prove for every , sharp at . Csima and Sawyer (1993) prove for . Green and Tao (2013) determine exactly for all large (Theorem 2.2 of their paper): for even , attained by half the points equally spaced on a circle and half at infinity, and for odd , attained by the Böröczky examples. The bound is the Dirac-Motzkin conjecture. The site says that Motzkin conjectured for ; Green and Tao note that neither Dirac nor Motzkin seems to have conjectured it formally in print (Dirac twice calls it likely, and Motzkin does not seem to mention it), and the Crowe-McKee configuration of points with ordinary lines shows that the bound fails at . An earlier claimed proof of the bound for large , by Hansen, is recorded on the site as flawed. The frontmatter standing derives from the Green-Tao full claim; the three earlier claims are partial. All four results are refereed, and the site's curator credits each of them.
The corpus holds no proof review of these results and does not hold the Motzkin and Csima-Sawyer papers. The exact value of for small lies outside the question.
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