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Pairwise circuit data and the ternary projective model
This note asks whether the ordered-realization criterion of the collision-trade note, applied to overlapping circuits, can make the short and long circuits forced in a hypothetical counterexample incompatible. Through pairs of circuits whose orientations are free it cannot: all such data, including every restriction on mixed-sign overlaps, is satisfied by a model with points that contains circuits of every size. A common increasing positive realization requires one choice of element signs making every circuit two-sided, and the model already fails this necessary condition. Orientation of single relations in a common order, with unique completion, already gives the target for ; whether the ordered pairwise conditions imply it for larger is open. The arguments below are Plasma AI's author-recorded deductions; none proves or refutes the target. The sign-free countermodel is not a model of the global cone condition.
Notation follows the collision-trade note. is a set of positive reals, is the maximum cardinality of a dissociated subset, is the real span of the ternary relations of , and . A circuit is an inclusion-minimal support of a nonzero ternary relation; its relation is unique up to sign. Every ternary vector of is a relation, since .
The realization cone with free signs and order
Proposition 1. Let be spanned by integer vectors. The following are equivalent.
- For some permutation of the coordinates and some signs , the subspace satisfies the criterion .
- contains no nonzero ternary vector whose support has at most two elements.
When the second condition holds, there are signs and distinct positive integers whose ternary relations are exactly the vectors with a nonzero ternary vector of . In particular the dependent subsets of that positive set are exactly the subsets of that support a nonzero ternary vector of .
Proof. If increasing positive reals annihilate , undoing and gives a vector whose coordinates are nonzero and have distinct absolute values. A ternary vector in would force , and would force .
Conversely, is a rational subspace and . Under the second condition the subspaces and are proper, as is for every ternary . Choose a rational point outside their finite union and clear denominators. Put . The integers are positive and distinct. A ternary is a relation of exactly when , that is, when . Sorting the gives , and the criterion holds by its necessity half, summation by parts.
Thus, once signs and order are free, the cone criterion says only that the relation space implies no relation of the form or . This is the column condition of the corank-one note (distinct nonzero columns with no antipodal pair) in dual form. Thus the sign-free realization question is exactly whether the full real span contains one of these forbidden vectors. For prescribed signs and order, merely making every circuit two-sided is necessary but not sufficient: the cone condition still applies to all real linear combinations. The sections below keep these distinct requirements separate.
Two-circuit spans
Proposition 2. Let and be the relations of distinct circuits and , and put . Fix an orientation of and put
The nonzero ternary vectors of are exactly:
- , and when is empty;
- , and when is nonempty and is empty, a compatible pair (the case of empty is the same after reversing );
- and only, when and are both nonempty, a mixed pair.
Proof. Neither circuit contains the other, so and are nonempty. On them equals and , so a ternary combination has . On and it equals and , which must also be ternary when those sets are nonempty. Enumerating the eight nonzero pairs gives the list.
By Proposition 1 applied to , two circuits restrict each other only when a listed vector has support at most two. The circuits have at least three points, and has at least six when they are disjoint. For a compatible pair, , with equality exactly when and and the relations agree on up to sign: a compatible exchange pair. Every other pair is realized by positive integers having exactly the relations of its span. Consequently:
- Circuits of different sizes never restrict each other pairwise. In particular a short circuit and a long circuit do not, whatever their overlap and relative signs.
- A mixed overlap of any size imposes no pairwise restriction.
- The only pairwise restriction is unique completion: for an -set and a sign pattern on , at most one point completes a circuit. This is precisely the input of the circuit-covering inequality (2) of the collision-trade note. A compatible pair also forces a relation on , so that set contains a circuit. This closure is a further constraint on the whole family, but the model below satisfies it too.
The ternary projective model
Let be a set of representatives of the classes of nonzero vectors of . Over the coefficients are all the coefficients, so the ternary relations on are its linear relations, and its circuits are those of the projective geometry , each with its coefficient vector.
Theorem 3.
- Every -subset of supports a circuit, and a basis supports none.
- Each circuit has one relation up to sign; no two circuits form a compatible exchange pair; and for every compatible pair the set contains a circuit.
- For every with there is a circuit with points.
- , which is at least for every .
Conversely, let a family of signed sets with at least three points each be given on , with no two members forming a compatible exchange pair, such that every -subset contains a member and some -subset contains none. Then .
Proof. For the first item, a subset is dependent over exactly when it supports a nonzero ternary relation. Two relations on one circuit that are not proportional have a combination vanishing at a point of the circuit, leaving a relation on a proper subset; the only scalars are . If and have relations agreeing on , then , so , which is impossible for distinct representatives. For a compatible pair, is an integer vector with entries in that vanishes on ; it is a nonzero relation, so its support contains a circuit. For the third item take : they are dependent, and every of them are independent.
For the converse, let be a -subset containing no member. For each , the set contains a member , which must contain . Normalize its relation to have coefficient at and let be minus its restriction to ; its support has at least two points. If for , then and are a compatible exchange pair. Hence is injective into the classes of ternary vectors on with support at least two, and
So is the exact maximum permitted by pairwise circuit data when orientations are free, and it is the trivial ternary bound. The model satisfies the circuit-covering inequality (2) because that inequality uses only such data. For it has both a circuit of at most six points and circuits with more than points, and it has . An overlap restriction derived from pairs of circuits with free orientation, including every restriction on mixed overlaps, holds in this model, so it cannot make the forced short and long circuits incompatible.
For the model is four signed triples on four points. With , , and , three of its relations are
and every two of its four triples meet in a mixed pair of points. Over the reals, , so these three circuits imply .
Where characteristic zero enters
As sign-free data, the model differs from a real set only through combinations of at least three circuits. Two such combinations are the following.
Lemma 4 (mixed overlaps). For a mixed pair, put . Then
For a real set, no ternary vector with is a relation. In the projective model is always a relation.
Proof. The vector is a nonzero ternary vector on a proper subset of the circuit , so it is not in . Since , it lies in only for . Modulo three, .
Thus replacing the coefficient two by minus one gives a ternary relation over , whose support contains a circuit, but never a relation over the reals. Minimality of the whole new support is not asserted. The relations , and satisfy ; the four triples above are an instance.
Lemma 5 (completion paths). Fix a set and a sign vector on up to sign. Join and outside when is a circuit whose relation, normalized to restrict to on , is . For a real set this graph is a disjoint union of paths.
Proof. Unique completion allows at most one edge at for each sign , and two edges at carry opposite signs there. Along a cycle with relations this gives , so . But is a nonzero ternary vector on a proper subset of a circuit.
In positive terms every edge joins a pair with or , where . Along a path the signed values change by at each step, so a path consists of the absolute values of consecutive terms of an arithmetic progression. In the projective model the progressions have period three and the graphs contain triangles.
Count each circuit of size once for each of its pairs, over the choices of and , with at most edges in a forest on vertices. Following the derivation of (2) then gives
improving the denominator of (2). At this gives , which is sharp, whereas (2) allows the four-point model. At it gives instead of ; the true maximum is six. Beyond small the gain is a factor . It is another separate support count and does not separate the forced short and long circuits.
What positive orientation adds
In a positive real set, each circuit relation has both sides nonempty. For a family of signed sets, call a choice of element signs a positive orientation if it makes every relation two-sided.
Proposition 6. For the projective model has no positive orientation.
Proof. Changing element signs replaces by another set of representatives. Suppose every circuit relation on is two-sided. For distinct , the vector is nonzero and not or ; let be its representative. The triple is a circuit with relation , one-sided when . Hence . Take distinct . Then , so and also lie in . These are opposite nonzero vectors, a contradiction.
The ordered form of pairwise realizability is therefore strictly stronger. Its data are a linear order of and a positive relation for each member of the family. Its conditions are that every two members are annihilated by one increasing positive vector, and that the support of the eliminated relation of a compatible pair contains a member. For a single relation the first condition says that takes both signs; for a three-point circuit it says that the largest element is the sum of the other two. For a pair it says that the points , , positively span .
Orientation of single relations already gives a bound well below the projective model. Put
Proposition 7 (greedy set from the top). Fix a linear order of and a family of members with at least three points each, each with a relation whose tail profile takes both signs. Suppose that no two members form a compatible exchange pair and that every -subset contains a member. Then
Proof. Scan downward from the largest position, keeping a set that contains no member and adding each position whose addition keeps it so. Then . A rejected position completes a member whose other points lie in above , so is the least point of . Put and , and read the signs of the relation on from the top down as a walk, normalized to start with . Apart from zeros above , the tail profile takes the partial sums of this walk above , and the value at and below . If the walk stays nonnegative and ends at , every value is nonnegative and the relation is not satisfiable. Of the walks, stay nonnegative, and those among them that end at zero, a Catalan number when is even, remain satisfiable with the sign at . So classes are available on each -subset of . Unique completion makes signs injective, and the right side increases with .
The bound equals and for , where sign-free pairwise data allow and and real sets reach and . Thus positive orientation of single relations, with unique completion, proves the target for . For the bound is and , against the targets and and the proof sketch's bounds and . Asymptotically it is : the walk restriction removes only a polynomial fraction of the ternary classes, so this count cannot reach . This is a limitation of the displayed count. It does not construct a family attaining it, or prove that the single-relation ordered assumptions themselves fail to imply the target. The unused requirement that all -subsets, including those with several rejected points, contain a member could impose further restrictions.
Two further facts are proved.
- One-sided circuits. The bound for one-sided circuits in the collision-trade note holds under the ordered conditions, with chosen to minimize the sum of the positions of its elements. Its proof uses only single relations (a root is the largest element of its circuit), unique completion, and the closure that places a circuit inside the elimination support of a compatible pair.
- Order constrains pairs. Proposition 2 permits pairs that the order excludes. With positions , the relations and are each satisfiable and agree on , with a symmetric difference of four points. Under the first, , so no increasing positive vector satisfies both.
For a three-point circuit the pair condition can be stated exactly. This is the quantitative overlap restriction that the cone imposes between a short circuit and any other circuit.
Proposition 8. Let be the relation with , and let be the relation of another member, satisfiable on its own. No increasing positive vector satisfies both if and only if, for or , the profile is nonnegative on and on , and
Proof. The profile equals on , on , on and above . Infeasibility means for some , the combination being nonzero because are independent and is injective. Here , since takes both signs. Dividing by and putting and , the condition reads on and above , on , and on . A suitable exists exactly when the displayed inequality holds.
Above the restriction uses only the signs of the profile of . If it takes both signs above , or both signs on , the two relations are jointly realizable in the given order whatever their overlap. A long circuit whose profile changes sign above the largest element of a three-point circuit is therefore never excluded by it. Proposition 8 adds an orientation-dependent restriction to Proposition 2, but no contradiction between the forced short and long circuits follows from it.
Whether the ordered pairwise conditions, with the covering property, imply for , or even for some , is open. A family satisfying them with would show that the ordered overlap restriction also fails. The projective model supplies no such family, and Proposition 7 is not evidence that one exists.
The pair condition for every short support
The cone test has an exact quantitative form for a pair of arbitrary circuit sizes, including all the short supports of sizes three through six forced by the high-girth argument. Put and , where are independent and each profile takes both signs. Write , and for the coordinates where is positive, negative and zero. For define
Proposition 9. No increasing positive vector annihilates both relations if and only if, for at least one choice of ,
Proof. By the cone criterion, infeasibility is equivalent to a nonzero combination . Since takes both signs, . Divide by and put and . The inequalities on say , those on say , and those on are exactly (6). Independence ensures that the resulting combination is nonzero.
Thus every pair of actual circuits must violate (6) for both signs. This uses the relative positions and signs of the two circuits; their cardinalities and intersection size do not determine it. If takes both signs on , both choices of already fail. In particular, oscillation of the long relation's profile above the short circuit defeats this exclusion test. Proposition 8 is the case on its four successive intervals.
No estimate has been obtained that combines these allowed profile patterns with covering every -set to contradict . The numerical inequality retained from the ordered argument is exactly Proposition 7: it gives at , where the needed bound is , and has base three asymptotically. The completion-path inequality is a separate support count, so it does not fill this gap. Passing the realization test for all pairs still leaves the full cone condition on combinations of three or more relations to be checked.
Retained examples
The 25-point construction in the forest note contains both the four-point circuit
and a seventeen-point circuit on . The latter is
where multiplication by means using both copies of the eight-element block , once in and once in . The forest note proves that is dissociated and this ternary representation is unique, so its full seventeen-element support is minimal. The four-point relation is minimal because its distinct positive entries have no additive triple. These circuits meet at and are jointly realized by the displayed positive integers; no cone certificate from them is possible. Here and , far below the counterexample threshold. The coexistence therefore defeats an absolute ban on interacting short and long circuits, without testing the required exponential cardinality hypothesis.
In the seven-point set of the matching note every circuit has six points, each omitting one point, so every two circuits are an exchange pair sharing five points, and Proposition 2 forces every pair to be mixed. For example, the relations omitting and ,
agree on and disagree on . That set has only circuits of size , so it exhibits no coexistence of short and long circuits.
In the sharp six-point example , take and . Their profiles are and , respectively. The second takes both signs where the first is zero, so (6) fails for both signs. Compatible elimination gives the existing circuit . Conversely, the six-position infeasible example above has profiles and : for both endpoints in (5) equal , and the second profile is nonnegative on . Formula (6) excludes it.
For small the three relevant maxima compare as follows. At real sets reach , sign-free pairwise data allow , and the ordered conditions allow . At the values are , and at most . At the real maximum is at most , sign-free pairwise data allow , and the ordered conditions allow at most .
Remaining gap
The interaction between the two forced circuit sizes cannot come from pairs of circuits with free orientation; Theorem 3 rules this out at every . A successful inequality must use information beyond the sign-free pairwise conditions. Examples of such information are the fixed order and signs in (6), and combinations of at least three circuits, such as the characteristic three obstruction in Lemma 4. Other arguments may use the integer realization directly, as the high-girth bound and the binary residue tree of the proof sketch do. The projective model has no integer realization. The ordered conditions settle through single relations. The remaining question is whether covering, compatible closure and the common-order restrictions imply the all- bound. The first undecided value for this weakened system is , where Proposition 7 gives ; the actual real-set case already has the stronger bound . No ordered countermodel or coupled covering estimate is supplied. The target is unresolved.