Wiki
Wiki

Research notes on every problem, and a library of the papers behind them. Built from the open erdos repository.

Updated

Problem 575

../

claims/: The 2 claim pages of Problem 575, one per claimant's result; the problem's standing derives from them.


Statement. If F\mathcal{F} is a finite set of finite graphs then ex(n;F)\mathrm{ex}(n;\mathcal{F}) is the maximum number of edges a graph on nn vertices can have without containing any subgraphs from F\mathcal{F}. Note that it is trivial that ex(n;F)≤ex(n;G)\mathrm{ex}(n;\mathcal{F})\leq \mathrm{ex}(n;G) for every G∈FG\in\mathcal{F}.

Is it true that, for every F\mathcal{F}, if there is a bipartite graph in F\mathcal{F} then there exists some bipartite G∈FG\in\mathcal{F} such that

ex(n;G)≪Fex(n;F)?\mathrm{ex}(n;G)\ll_{\mathcal{F}}\mathrm{ex}(n;\mathcal{F})?

Formulation. The site's wording as of 2026-09-18 (page last edited 31 August 2026). "Subgraphs" are ordinary, not induced, copies, and ex(n;G)≪Fex(n;F)\mathrm{ex}(n;G)\ll_{\mathcal F}\mathrm{ex}(n;\mathcal F) means ex(n;G)≤CF ex(n;F)\mathrm{ex}(n;G)\le C_{\mathcal F}\,\mathrm{ex}(n;\mathcal F) for all nn with a constant depending on the family. The statement is the compactness conjecture of Erdős and Simonovits, Conjecture 1 of [ErSi82] (printed p. 276 of the Rényi archive scan): "For every finite L\mathbf L (containing bipartite graphs as well) there exists an L∗∈LL^*\in\mathbf L for which (5) ex(n,L)=O(ex(n,L∗))\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathbf L)=O(\mathrm{ex}(n,L^*))"; the site's clause "if there is a bipartite graph in F\mathcal F" is the paper's parenthesis. As printed, display (5) is the trivial inequality the site notes; the compactness theorems defined just before it, Wigderson's restatement "ex(n,F)≥c⋅ex(n,H)\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathcal F)\ge c\cdot\mathrm{ex}(n,H)" and the site's display all read the bound the other way, and this page uses that reading (recorded on the result page, not decided). The statement admits forests: the two-member family {K1,2,2K2}\{K_{1,2},2K_2\} consists of bipartite graphs, so the statement fails for it (below). The no-forest form (Wigderson's p. 2 Conjecture: every member contains a cycle) is a separate variant whose status this page records separately; the site's own account rests on it.

Status. Disproved, on two routes. (1) The statement is false by the elementary Observation on p. 1 of Wigderson's note [Wig22] (result page, recomputed below): for F={K1,2,2K2}\mathcal F=\{K_{1,2},2K_2\}, both members bipartite, ex(n;F)=1\mathrm{ex}(n;\mathcal F)=1 for n≥2n\ge2 while ex(n;K1,2)=⌊n/2⌋\mathrm{ex}(n;K_{1,2})=\lfloor n/2\rfloor and ex(n;2K2)=n−1\mathrm{ex}(n;2K_2)=n-1 for n≥4n\ge4, so no member satisfies the displayed comparison. (2) The no-forest form is disproved by Theorem 1.1 of Chapter 10 of OpenAI's technical report Ten Advances in Mathematics and Theoretical Computer Science (August 6, 2026 version; result page): a finite nonempty family F\mathcal F of connected bipartite graphs, every member containing a cycle, with ex(n,F)=O(n4/3−1/48)\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathcal F)=O(n^{4/3-1/48}) and ex(n,F)=Ω(n4/3)\mathrm{ex}(n,F)=\Omega(n^{4/3}) for every F∈FF\in\mathcal F. Its author is OpenAI; the announcement attributes the arguments to an internal model and manuscript preparation to humans working with that model; the site accepted it as the disproof on 31 August 2026 with the label DISPROVED. This is a source-supported solution accepted by the site, distinct from a claim of journal refereeing: no refereed publication and no independent expert review of the argument was found, and the corpus has not built or audited the accompanying Lean file. The claim pages record both routes: Wigderson's two-forest observation is claimed, since no outside acceptance of it is documented (the site's commentary does not mention it, and the report's p. 237 restates the values without reviewing the note), and OpenAI's Theorem 1.1 is accepted on the site's acceptance alone (evidence reviewed: the curator's label and commentary of 31 August 2026), with no refereed publication and no independent review. The frontmatter standing is derived from the accepted claim, so it rests on the site's acceptance of an AI-generated argument; the elementary route (1) is recomputed below but, as this project's own check, awards no acceptance.

Source. erdosproblems.com/575, accessed 2026-09-18: the problem page (DISPROVED, the site's label for a question answered no; last edited 31 August 2026; source key [ErSi82]; commentary citing Problem 180; listed by the site at number 51 of its extremal graph theory collection), its two-comment discussion thread (14 January and 1 August 2026) and its empty proof-claim tab. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #575, https://www.erdosproblems.com/575, accessed 2026-09-18.

References.

  • [ErSi82] Erdős, P. and Simonovits, M., Compactness results in extremal graph theory. Combinatorica 2 (1982), no. 3, 275--288, doi:10.1007/BF02579234 (the site's reference text gives "Combinatorica (1982), 275-288"); Conjecture 1, p. 276. Library home: erdos_1982_compactness_results_extremal_graph_theory (the Rényi archive scan).
  • [Wig22] Wigderson, Yuval, The Erdős--Simonovits compactness conjecture needs more assumptions. Two-page note hosted on the author's page, undated (PDF metadata 25 July 2022); Observation, p. 1; the modified Conjecture, p. 2. Library home: wigderson_2022_erdossimonovits_compactness_conjecture_needs_more_assumptions.
  • [OpenAI26] OpenAI, Ten Advances in Mathematics and Theoretical Computer Science, technical report announced 1 August 2026, PDF revised 6 August 2026 (253 pages; the version cited); Chapter 10, Counterexamples to the Compactness and Degeneracy Conjectures for Extremal Numbers, printed pp. 236--249 (PDF pp. 240--253); Theorem 1.1, p. 237; the family, p. 238; Proposition 3.4, p. 240; Propositions 4.2--4.3 and the proof of Theorem 1.1, p. 242. Library home: openai_2026_ten_advances_mathematics_theoretical_computer_science, chapter card chapter_10/.
  • [FS13] Füredi, Z. and Simonovits, M., The history of degenerate (bipartite) extremal graph problems. Erdős Centennial, Bolyai Soc. Math. Stud. 25 (2013), 169--264. [Wig22] cites its Theorem 2.32 for the linear extremal number of forests and its restatement of the conjecture, and [OpenAI26] cites it beside [ErSi82].
  • [CMP26] Conlon, D., Mulrenin, E. and Pohoata, C., Two counterexamples to a conjecture about even cycles. arXiv:2603.24515 (submitted 25 March 2026; 7 pages). Preprint, cited from its abstract. Adjacent lead, recorded below.

Formalization. None for this problem: no file ErdosProblems/575.lean exists in formal-conjectures (main; directory listing of 672 entries and the recursive tree checked), the site's indicator reads "Formalised statement? No", and the community database records the problem as disproved (last update 31 August 2025) and unformalized, with no formal proof. The external file CompactnessAndDegeneracy.lean of openai/ten-proofs (linked at the repository's head of 2026-09-18; the revision the thread pins, lines 9361--9378, is no longer served by the repository) formalizes route (2) under the name of Problem 180: its namespace CompactnessConjecture defines IsCompactFamily (family : Finset FiniteGraph) : Prop := ∃ forbidden ∈ family, ∃ C : ℝ, 0 < C ∧ ∀ᶠ n : ℕ in atTop, (SimpleGraph.extremalNumber n forbidden.graph : ℝ) ≤ C * (familyExtremal family n : ℝ) (line 27) and CompactnessConjectureStatement : Prop := ∀ family : Finset FiniteGraph, family.Nonempty → IsCyclicFamily family → IsCompactFamily family (line 33; IsCyclicFamily requires every member to be non-acyclic), proves theorem proposedFamily_not_compact : ¬ IsCompactFamily proposedFamily (line 8962) and theorem not_erdos_180 : ¬ CompactnessConjectureStatement (line 8967) for proposedFamily := {finiteCycle 4, finiteCycle 6} ∪ jQuotients ∪ kQuotients (line 654), and ends its section MainTheorem (lines 9277--9373) with three summary theorems, checkedManuscriptCounterexample, quantitativeCompactnessCounterexample and compactnessCounterexample_bigO, each recording that the family is nonempty, every member connected, bipartite and cyclic, every member's extremal number eventually at least c n4/3c\,n^{4/3}, the family's extremal number O(n4/3−1/48)O(n^{4/3-1/48}) (with 21/16=4/3−1/4821/16=4/3-1/48 stated), and ¬ CompactnessConjectureStatement. The file has 18,588 lines, imports only Mathlib and contains no sorry, axiom or native_decide. The formal statement is the cyclic-family form, with the comparison holding for all sufficiently large nn, not the site's comparison, which the Formulation reads as holding for all nn, and no statement in the file names this problem. The corpus has not built or audited the file and claims no credit for it.

Current assessment

The question (site formulation of 2026-09-18). The statement above; DISPROVED, the site's label for a question answered no; last edited 31 August 2026. The commentary attributes the problem to Erdős and Simonovits and credits the disproof to an internal model at OpenAI: a finite family of connected bipartite graphs, none of them a forest, whose joint extremal number is O(n4/3−1/48)O(n^{4/3-1/48}) while each member's is Ω(n4/3)\Omega(n^{4/3}); it points to Problem 180. The thread, oldest first: a comment of 14 January 2026 pointing out that Wigderson's note gives a trivial counterexample to the statement as written and, following Simonovits, proposes a modification that excludes forests (the commenter reports that ChatGPT located the note); and a comment of 1 August 2026 reporting that Chapter 10 of OpenAI's report disproves the corrected compactness conjecture, which the report cites as this problem, linking the announcement, the report and lines 9361--9378 of the Lean file at a revision the repository no longer serves. The proof-claim tab is empty. The commentary does not mention the two-forest counterexample; Problem 180, the same question without the bipartite clause, records it.

Route (1): the two forests. Let F={K1,2,2K2}\mathcal F=\{K_{1,2},2K_2\}, the two-edge star and the two-edge matching, both bipartite, so the statement's hypothesis holds and both members are candidates for GG. Any graph with two edges contains either two edges at a common vertex (K1,2K_{1,2}) or two disjoint edges (2K22K_2), and a single edge contains neither, so ex(n;F)=1\mathrm{ex}(n;\mathcal F)=1 for every n≥2n\ge2. A graph with no K1,2K_{1,2} has maximum degree at most 11, so it is a matching and ex(n;K1,2)=⌊n/2⌋\mathrm{ex}(n;K_{1,2})=\lfloor n/2\rfloor. A graph with no two disjoint edges is a star or a triangle, so ex(n;2K2)=n−1\mathrm{ex}(n;2K_2)=n-1 for n≥4n\ge4 (and 33 for n=3n=3). Both individual extremal numbers are unbounded while the joint one is 11, so neither member GG satisfies ex(n;G)≤C ex(n;F)\mathrm{ex}(n;G)\le C\,\mathrm{ex}(n;\mathcal F) for all nn with any constant CC: the answer to the question is no. This is Wigderson's Observation (p. 1; his proof cites the linear extremal number of forests for the upper bounds, which the exact values above make unnecessary), and [OpenAI26] (p. 237) prints the same three values for n≥4n\ge4, calling the family "folklore". Wigderson attributes the example to Jordan Lefkowitz, points to Chvátal--Hanson for a more general form, and reports Simonovits's private communication that such counterexamples had long been known.

Route (2): the no-forest form. Wigderson's p. 2 Conjecture, which he attributes to Simonovits: for every finite collection F\mathcal F containing no forest there exist H∈FH\in\mathcal F and c>0c>0 with ex(n,F)≥c⋅ex(n,H)\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathcal F)\ge c\cdot\mathrm{ex}(n,H) for all nn; by Füredi--Simonovits's Theorem 2.32 (cited by Wigderson) the hypothesis is equivalent to every member having extremal number Ω(n1+ε)\Omega(n^{1+\varepsilon}). [OpenAI26] states the corrected form as display (1) (p. 237): for every finite nonempty family all of whose members contain cycles, do there exist F∈FF\in\mathcal F and C>0C>0 with ex(n,F)≤C ex(n,F)\mathrm{ex}(n,F)\le C\,\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathcal F) for all sufficiently large nn? Theorem 1.1 (p. 237) answers no: "There exists a finite nonempty family F\mathcal F of connected bipartite graphs, every member of which contains a cycle, such that, for ε=1/48\varepsilon=1/48, ex(n,F)=O(n4/3−ε)\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathcal F)=O(n^{4/3-\varepsilon}) and ex(n,F)=Ω(n4/3)\mathrm{ex}(n,F)=\Omega(n^{4/3}) (F∈FF\in\mathcal F). In particular, no member of F\mathcal F satisfies (1)." The family (Definition 2.5, p. 238) is {C4,C6}\{C_4,C_6\} together with the admissible quotients of two templates built from the one-subdivisions of K3,2K_{3,2} and K3,3K_{3,3}; the upper bound is Proposition 3.4 (O(n21/16)O(n^{21/16}), 21/16=4/3−1/4821/16=4/3-1/48, by counting short paths after a girth-eight bipartite reduction) and the lower bounds are Proposition 4.3 (incidence graphs of symplectic generalized quadrangles over fields of characteristic 22 or 33, chosen by the member). Since every member is bipartite and none is a forest, the family also refutes the site's statement directly, without the two forests; and since every member has extremal number of order at least n4/3n^{4/3}, the refutation is by a power of nn, not merely by an unbounded factor. Read depth: claims checked for Theorem 1.1, Definitions 2.1--2.5, Propositions 3.4, 4.2 and 4.3 and the four-line proof of Theorem 1.1; the proofs of the propositions (Sections 3--4, pp. 239--242) were read for structure only and no step was checked; no step is independently reviewed in this corpus; Theorem 1.2 of the same chapter concerns Problem 146. Acceptance evidence: the site's label and commentary of 31 August 2026 and the thread's report; no refereed publication (Crossref bibliographic query for the chapter title, no record), no arXiv version and no written independent review were found. Provenance, recorded not judged: the report's author is OpenAI and its announcement attributes the arguments to an internal model.

The origin. [ErSi82] (the copy read is the Rényi archive scan): Conjecture 1 (p. 276) with the parenthesis that became the site's bipartite clause, the printed direction of (5) as in the Formulation note, the companion Conjecture 2 (a constant cL≥1c_{\mathbf L}\ge1, "probably rational", with ex(n,L)/nc\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathbf L)/n^{c} converging to a positive limit), and the Remark (pp. 276--277) that both conjectures fail for infinite families (all cycles for Conjecture 1, "a slightly more complicated example" for Conjecture 2). The paper proves compactness theorems for cycles (Theorems 1--3, p. 278), among them Theorem 2, ex(n,{C4,C5})=(n/2)3/2+O(n)\mathrm{ex}(n,\{C^4,C^5\})=(n/2)^{3/2}+O(n), the site's source for Problem 573; it proves nothing about Conjecture 1 for finite families.

Adjacent results and leads (not status). [CMP26] (from its abstract) disproves Verstraëte's conjecture that every C2kC_{2k}-free graph contains a C2ℓC_{2\ell}-free subgraph with a positive fraction of its edges, for ℓ=4\ell=4, k=5k=5, from a dense C10C_{10}-free subgraph of the hypercube and from Wenger's graphs; [OpenAI26] (p. 237) calls it "a stronger host-graph analog of compactness for even cycles" whose examples "do not resolve the compactness conjecture itself", and this page records it as context only. The arXiv record 2509.07750 (2025, nonabelian Sidon sets with applications to Turán-type problems) was returned by the compactness query below and is not assessed here.

Search scope. None of the routes below found a refereed or arXiv version of the chapter, an independent review, a dispute of either route, or a further disproof.

  • The site: problem page, discussion thread and proof-claim tab; the formal-conjectures directory listing at the pinned commit (no file); the community database (fetched 2026-09-18); the site's reference text for ErSi82.
  • The primary sources, at the pages stated: [ErSi82] pp. 276--278, 285 and 288; [Wig22] pp. 1--2; [OpenAI26] Chapter 10, PDF pp. 239--253, with pp. 240--242, 244 and 246 at claims-checked depth; the Lean file at the pinned revision.
  • The Rényi archive: the scan 1982-02.pdf.
  • arXiv API: abs:"compactness conjecture" AND abs:Simonovits (one record, 2509.07750, not assessed) and all:"Ten Advances in Mathematics" (one record, a coding-theory comment paper); the abstract page of 2603.24515.
  • Crossref: the record of [ErSi82] by DOI and a bibliographic query for the chapter's title (no record).

Not searched: MathSciNet, zbMATH, Google Scholar, Semantic Scholar, X. Unread: [FS13]; the Chvátal--Hanson paper Wigderson cites.

Remaining gaps. (1) The site's account rests on a technical report with no refereed publication and no independent review, whose argument is attributed to an AI model; the frontmatter standing is derived from the accepted OpenAI claim page, so it rests on that account, and route (1), as this project's own check, awards no acceptance. A refereed version or an independent whole-argument review of Theorem 1.1 is the condition for lifting the qualification on route (2). (2) The Lean artifact is named for Problem 180 and formalizes the eventual form of the cyclic-family statement; the corpus has not built it. (3) The printed direction of display (5) in [ErSi82] is recorded, not resolved against the journal's typesetting (the edition read is the archive scan). (4) Proof coverage is statements only on both routes' sources except the five-line Observation, which the page recomputes. (5) The Füredi--Simonovits survey and its Theorem 2.32 are cited through [Wig22] only.

Linked library material

These entries are derived from explicit links on library pages. They are navigation only and do not by themselves record mathematical progress.