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Problem 574

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claims/: The 2 claim pages of Problem 574, one per claimant's result; the problem's standing derives from them.


Statement. Is it true that, for k≥2k\geq 2,

ex(n;{C2k−1,C2k})=(1+o(1))(n/2)1+1k.\mathrm{ex}(n;\{C_{2k-1},C_{2k}\})=(1+o(1))(n/2)^{1+\frac{1}{k}}.

Status. Disproved. The site labels the problem DISPROVED (page last edited 1 April 2026; one comment, no proof claims) and credits two refereed papers: it names [LUW94b] as apparently the first disproof, at k=3k=3 and k=5k=5, through bipartite C2kC_{2k}-free graphs with constant (k−1)/k1+1/k(k-1)/k^{1+1/k}, and [FNV06] as an alternative disproof at k=3k=3. Both are accepted claims here, on the refereed venue and the site's acceptance: Lazebnik, Ustimenko and Woldar 1994 and Füredi, Naor and Verstraëte 2006; the problem's standing derives from them.

Source. erdosproblems.com/574, accessed 2026-10-07. The site cites [ErSi82] as the problem's source, calls it a problem of Erdős and Simonovits, and cites [LUW94b] and [FNV06] in its commentary. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #574, https://www.erdosproblems.com/574.

References.

  • [ErSi82] Erdős, P. and Simonovits, M., Compactness results in extremal graph theory. Combinatorica 2 (1982), no. 3, 275--288; Conjecture 4, p. 278, of which the statement is the case t=kt=k. Library home: erdos_1982_compactness_results_extremal_graph_theory.
  • [FNV06] Füredi, Zoltán and Naor, Assaf and Verstraëte, Jacques, On the Turán number for the hexagon. Adv. Math. 203 (2006), no. 2, 476--496, doi:10.1016/j.aim.2005.04.011, online as an article in press from June 2005 (the site's reference text gives "Adv. Math. (2006), 476-496").
  • [LUW94b] Lazebnik, F. and Ustimenko, V. A. and Woldar, A. J., Properties of certain families of 2k2k-cycle-free graphs. J. Combin. Theory Ser. B 60 (1994), 293--298; doi:10.1006/jctb.1994.1020. The Theorem (p. 295) and the Corollary (p. 297). Library home: lazebnik_ustimenko_woldar_1994_properties_certain_families_2k_cycle_free_graphs; the statements are paged at theorem_p295 and corollary_p297.

Formalization. None recorded; formal-conjectures had no statement file for the problem on 2026-10-07.

Current assessment

A bounded currentness search checked primary author and publication records, targeted arXiv searches, and research announcements, including X. Queries included "Furedi" "Naor" "Verstraete" "hexagon" correction, site:arxiv.org "C_5,C_6" Turan, and site:x.com "Erdos" "574". The Princeton publication record identifies the paper as a published journal article; the author's publication list links its manuscript. No correction retracting the lower construction or relevant new X proof announcement was located in this search. The site's page, accessed 2026-10-07 (last edited 1 April 2026), states the problem as above, and its commentary is as under Status. The search does not establish exhaustive priority or the latest optimal constants. The disproof follows from the source construction and comparison below, not from search silence.

The statements, conventions, constructions and proof locations are taken from pp. 1--5, 12--13 and 17--18 of the author-hosted manuscript. The manuscript has no printed revision date; its PDF metadata records 21 April 2005, while the article was online from June 2005 and in print in July 2006. The library's result pages distinguish the manuscript's pagination from the journal's and note apparent printed inconsistencies in the all-order interpolation estimate and the upper-bound cubic calculation. Those issues are not repaired or audited here and are outside the infinite-sequence lower construction used in the disproof. No complete source proof, independent whole-proof review, numerical experiment, or Lean verification is recorded. The underlying incidence-geometry existence theorem is an external premise quoted by the source; its proof is not checked here. For the original disproof [LUW94b], the Theorem (p. 295) and Corollary (p. 297) are checked clause by clause, and the proof of the Theorem (pp. 296--297, one page) is followed in full. The paper states its Corollary for the constant of the C2kC_{2k}-extremal graphs alone; the step from its bipartite graphs to the two-cycle question of this problem is a deduction made on its result pages, and nothing there is independently reviewed.

Progress

The disproof holds already at k=3k=3, by the bipartite construction in Section 2, p. 3 of the Füredi--Naor--Verstraëte manuscript, recorded with Theorem 1.2. Here ex⁡(n;{C5,C6})\operatorname{ex}(n;\{C_5,C_6\}) maximizes the number of edges in a simple graph on nn vertices avoiding both cycles as subgraphs. A C6C_6-free graph alone need not meet the C5C_5 exclusion, so the bipartite part of the source is essential to this application.

The same graphs are the construction of [LUW94b], which the site names as apparently the first disproof and which reaches k=5k=5 as well. Its Theorem (p. 295, paged at theorem_p295) takes a family of bipartite 2k2k-cycle-free graphs of girth at least 2k+22k+2 with (λ+o(1))vr(\lambda+o(1))v^r edges on vv vertices and, for 2≤t≤k−12\le t\le k-1, replaces each vertex of the smaller part by tt copies with the same neighbors: the new graphs are bipartite, contain each of C4,…,C2tC_4,\ldots,C_{2t} and none of C2t+2,…,C2kC_{2t+2},\ldots,C_{2k}, and have constant at least t(2/(t+1))rλ>λt(2/(t+1))^r\lambda >\lambda. Its Corollary (p. 297, paged at corollary_p297) applies this to the known magnitude-extremal families of girth eight and twelve (its [1, 9, 13]: Benson, carded at benson_1966_minimal_regular_graphs_girths_eight_twelve; Lazebnik and Ustimenko; Wenger), of constants 2−4/32^{-4/3} and 2−6/52^{-6/5}: λ3≥2/34/3\lambda_3\ge2/3^{4/3} and λ5≥4/56/5\lambda_5\ge4/5^{6/5}, where λk\lambda_k is the constant of the C2kC_{2k}-extremal graphs. Because the graphs are bipartite they contain no odd cycle, so along their sequences of orders ex⁡(N;{C5,C6})≥(2/34/3−o(1))N4/3\operatorname{ex}(N;\{C_5,C_6\})\ge(2/3^{4/3}-o(1))N^{4/3} and ex⁡(N;{C9,C10})≥(4/56/5−o(1))N6/5\operatorname{ex}(N;\{C_9,C_{10}\})\ge(4/5^{6/5}-o(1))N^{6/5}, against the proposed 2−4/3N4/32^{-4/3}N^{4/3} and 2−6/5N6/52^{-6/5}N^{6/5} (4/56/5>0.579>0.436>2−6/54/5^{6/5}>0.579>0.436>2^{-6/5}). This bipartite deduction is the compilation's, made on the result pages; the paper states the Corollary for λk\lambda_k alone and does not mention the two-cycle question. The paper's Theorem needs k≥3k\ge3 and says nothing about k=2k=2. At k=3k=3 its t=2t=2 graphs are the graphs with part sizes m,2mm,2m used below.

Write the total order as NN. The source gives C6C_6-free bipartite graphs with part sizes m,2mm,2m and 2m4/3+O(m)2m^{4/3}+O(m) edges for infinitely many m→∞m\to\infty. These graphs contain no odd cycles. Therefore, with N=3mN=3m,

ex⁡(N;{C5,C6})≥(234/3+o(1))N4/3\operatorname{ex}(N;\{C_5,C_6\}) \geq\left(\frac{2}{3^{4/3}}+o(1)\right)N^{4/3}

along an unbounded sequence of orders. At k=3k=3 the proposed expression is (N/2)4/3=2−4/3N4/3(N/2)^{4/3}=2^{-4/3}N^{4/3}. The construction coefficient is strictly larger: the cube of their ratio is 128/81>1128/81>1. This fixed positive gap contradicts the claimed asymptotic, even just along that sequence. No exact limiting constant for ex⁡(N;{C5,C6})\operatorname{ex}(N;\{C_5,C_6\}) is inferred.

The source also refutes a different single-cycle conjecture using its nonbipartite Theorem 1.1. That conjecture has coefficient 1/21/2 in N1+1/k/2N^{1+1/k}/2, whereas the catalog has coefficient 2−(1+1/k)2^{-(1+1/k)} in (N/2)1+1/k(N/2)^{1+1/k}. Both the forbidden family and the coefficient differ. The source's 0.5338N4/30.5338N^{4/3} single-cycle construction is not used as a {C5,C6}\{C_5,C_6\}-free construction.

Known Results

Theorem 1.2, p. 2 of the author's 20-page manuscript, states the bipartite upper bound

ex⁡(a,b,C6)<21/3(ab)2/3+16(a+b)\operatorname{ex}(a,b,C_6)<2^{1/3}(ab)^{2/3}+16(a+b)

for positive part sizes a,ba,b. When b=2ab=2a, it gives leading term 2a4/32a^{4/3} with an O(a)O(a) error on an infinite sequence and an o(a4/3)o(a^{4/3}) error as a→∞a\to\infty through all positive integers. The lower construction on p. 3 uses a regular incidence graph of girth eight and doubles one bipartition class. Only that lower construction is needed for the disproof above; its application does not use the all-order interpolation or the upper-bound proof.

Theorem 1.1, on the same page, gives the single-cycle lower coefficient 3(5−2)/(5−1)4/3>0.53383(\sqrt5-2)/(\sqrt5-1)^{4/3}>0.5338 along an infinite sequence and an upper coefficient λ<0.6272\lambda<0.6272, where 16λ3−4λ2+λ−3=016\lambda^3-4\lambda^2+\lambda-3=0, with an O(N)O(N) upper error. It provides context for the distinct single-cycle question and coefficient, without asserting the odd-cycle exclusion needed here.

The Theorem of [LUW94b], p. 295, in the paper's terms: "Let k≥3k\ge3 and let G\mathscr G be a family of 2k2k-cycle-free graphs with magnitude r>1r>1 and constant λ>0\lambda>0, the members of which are bipartite graphs of girth at least 2k+22k+2. Then, for any tt, 2≤t≤k−12\le t\le k-1, there exists a family G~t\tilde{\mathscr G}_t of 2k2k-cycle-free graphs with magnitude rr and constant λ~≥t(2/(t+1))rλ>λ\tilde\lambda\ge t(2/(t+1))^r\lambda>\lambda, all of whose members are bipartite and contain each of the cycles C4,C6,…,C2tC_4,C_6,\ldots,C_{2t}, and none of the cycles C2t+2,…,C2kC_{2t+2},\ldots,C_{2k}." A family has magnitude rr and constant λ\lambda when its members have (λ+o(1))vr(\lambda+o(1))v^r edges on vv vertices (p. 294). Its Corollary, p. 297: "λ3≥2/34/3\lambda_3\ge2/3^{4/3}, λ5≥4/56/5\lambda_5\ge4/5^{6/5}", from the known magnitude-extremal families of girth eight and twelve (its [1, 9, 13]: Benson; Lazebnik and Ustimenko; Wenger), whose magnitudes are 4/34/3 and 6/56/5 and whose constants are 2−4/32^{-4/3} and 2−6/52^{-6/5}. Only the bipartite clause and these two constants are used for the disproof above; the k=5k=5 value is the Theorem at t=4t=4.

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