Wiki
Wiki

Research notes on every problem, and a library of the papers behind them. Built from the open erdos repository.

Updated

Janzer 2021 extremal number longer subdivisions

../

theorem_1_6: Janzer's first main theorem, Conlon and Lee's Conjecture 1.2: for every multigraph F and every even k at least 2, the (k − 1)-subdivision of F has extremal number O(n^{1+1/k}).

theorem_1_7: Janzer's second main theorem, Conlon and Lee's Conjecture 1.3: for every simple graph F and every even k at least 2 there is ε > 0 with ex(n, F^{k−1}) = O(n^{1+1/k−ε}).


Oliver Janzer, The extremal number of longer subdivisions, Bull. London Math. Soc. 53 (2021), no. 1, 108--118, DOI 10.1112/blms.12404 (the journal reference and DOI as the arXiv record carried them on 2026-09-18; the journal text was not compared). Crossref records the version of record, published online 20 August 2020, under a CC BY 4.0 license (record read 2026-10-07). The Bulletin of the London Mathematical Society is a refereed journal. Not a source key of the site; Problem 1018's page cites it as [Ja21]. A different paper from the author's 2019 Improved bounds for the extremal number of subdivisions (this paper's [8]), filed as janzer_2019_improved_bounds_extremal_number_subdivisions.

Edition read. The copy read for this card is the open arXiv copy arXiv:1905.08001v1 [math.CO], stamped 20 May 2019 (the only arXiv version): eleven pages with a complete text layer, PDF page equal to printed page. Provenance: 186,712 bytes, retrieved from arXiv (https://arxiv.org/abs/1905.08001v1) on 2026-09-18T11:22:20Z. The arXiv record names arXiv's non-exclusive distribution license (arXiv:1905.08001), every other right reserved.

Read status: claims checked for the abstract, the definitions of subdivisions and of Ft,k\mathcal F_{t,k}, Mader's theorem, the Kostochka--Pyber sentence, Jiang's theorem with the two-way comparison and Theorem 1.1 (p. 1), and Conjectures 1.2--1.3 and Theorems 1.4--1.7 with the tightness remarks (p. 2), read clause by clause in the text layer and, for p. 1, on the page image; Theorems 1.6 and 1.7 were read again clause by clause on the page image of p. 2 on 2026-10-08, with the reduction of Section 2 (pp. 3--5) read in outline; Sections 3 and 4 (pp. 5--11) were not read; the reference list (p. 11) was read in full.

Contents

  • Definitions (p. 1): a subdivision of a multigraph FF replaces its edges by pairwise internally vertex-disjoint paths; the kk-subdivision FkF^k uses paths of length k+1k+1; Ft,k\mathcal F_{t,k} is the family of graphs obtained from KtK_t by paths of length at most kk; ex(n,F)\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathcal F) the extremal number.
  • Mader (p. 1, their [12]): cncn edges force a subdivision of FF, whose size may grow with nn.
  • Kostochka--Pyber (p. 1): introduced as "Answering a question of Erdős about planar subgraphs [5]", the theorem of Kostochka and Pyber [11] that every nn-vertex graph with at least 4t2n1+ε4^{t^2}n^{1+\varepsilon} edges contains a subdivision of KtK_t on at most 7t2log⁡tε\frac{7t^2\log t}\varepsilon vertices; Janzer adds that this was the first result to give a subdivided KtK_t of bounded size. Reference [5] is Erdős, Some unsolved problems in graph theory and combinatorial analysis, 1971 (the site's Er71); [11] is Kostochka and Pyber, Small topological complete subgraphs of "dense" graphs, Combinatorica 8 (1988), 83--86 (the site's KoPy88).
  • Jiang (p. 1, their [9], J. Graph Theory 67 (2011), 139--152): for any tt and 0<ε<1/20<\varepsilon<1/2, ex(n,Ft,⌈10/ε⌉)=O(n1+ε)\mathrm{ex}(n,\mathcal F_{t,\lceil10/\varepsilon\rceil})=O(n^{1+\varepsilon}); this improves Kostochka--Pyber "in two ways": every member of the family has at most ct2/εct^2/\varepsilon vertices (the logarithm is saved), and the paths are uniformly short. Theorem 1.1 (Jiang--Seiver, their [10]): for even kk, ex(n,Ktk−1)=O(n1+16/k)\mathrm{ex}(n,K_t^{k-1})=O(n^{1+16/k}).
  • Conjectures 1.2 and 1.3 (Conlon--Lee), p. 2: for even k≥2k\ge2, ex(n,Fk−1)=O(n1+1/k)\mathrm{ex}(n,F^{k-1})=O(n^{1+1/k}) for every multigraph FF, and O(n1+1/k−ε)O(n^{1+1/k-\varepsilon}) for some ε>0\varepsilon>0 when FF is simple. Theorem 1.4 (Conlon--Janzer--Lee, their [3]) gives the bound of Conjecture 1.3 for every simple bipartite FF and every k≥1k\ge1, and Theorem 1.5 (the same authors) the weaker O(n1+2/k−ε)O(n^{1+2/k-\varepsilon}) for every simple FF and even k≥2k\ge2.
  • Theorems 1.6 and 1.7 (p. 2): both conjectures hold; tight by Conlon's theta-graph result and by random graphs.
  • Section 2 (pp. 3--5): Lemma 2.1 (Jiang--Seiver) reduces both theorems to almost-regular host graphs, where they become Theorems 2.2 and 2.3 (p. 3), with 2k2k written for kk; both follow from Lemma 2.6 (p. 4), a count of good paths of length 2k2k, proved in Sections 3--4.

Results.

  • Theorem 1.6 (p. 2): for every multigraph FF and even k≥2k\ge2, ex(n,Fk−1)=O(n1+1/k)\mathrm{ex}(n,F^{k-1})=O(n^{1+1/k}).
  • Theorem 1.7 (p. 2): for every simple graph FF and even k≥2k\ge2 there is ε>0\varepsilon>0 with ex(n,Fk−1)=O(n1+1/k−ε)\mathrm{ex}(n,F^{k-1})=O(n^{1+1/k-\varepsilon}).

Compiled scope

Statements at claims-checked depth for pp. 1--2; the proofs were read in outline for Section 2 only and nothing here is independently reviewed. The Kostochka--Pyber paper is filed as kostochka_pyber_1988_small_topological_complete_subgraphs_dense_graphs; its Theorem is on printed p. 83 (PDF p. 1), read there clause by clause on the page image on 2026-09-22 and paged on theorem, and this paper's statement of it (the 4t2n1+ε4^{t^2}n^{1+\varepsilon} edges and the 7t2log⁡t/ε7t^2\log t/\varepsilon vertices) matches the theorem as printed. Jiang's paper is not held; its theorem is consumed through this paper's introduction.

Bears on. #1018: p. 1 (= PDF p. 1 of the arXiv copy, page image) states the Kostochka--Pyber theorem, introduced as answering Erdős's question about planar subgraphs in the 1971 list, that 4t2n1+ε4^{t^2}n^{1+\varepsilon} edges force a subdivided KtK_t on at most 7t2log⁡t/ε7t^2\log t/\varepsilon vertices (the case t=5t=5 gives the bounded non-planar subgraph the problem asks for), with the constants of the 1988 paper's own printed theorem, on which the problem's answer rests; it also states Jiang's sharpening, for 0<ε<1/20<\varepsilon<1/2, to O(n1+ε)O(n^{1+\varepsilon}) edges with paths of length at most ⌈10/ε⌉\lceil10/\varepsilon\rceil. Separately, the paper's own Theorem 1.6 (p. 2), applied with F=K5F=K_5 and an even k>1/εk>1/\varepsilon, gives a subdivided K5K_5 on 5+10(k−1)5+10(k-1) vertices in every large nn-vertex graph with at least n1+εn^{1+\varepsilon} edges; the problem page's thread of 13 September 2025 says the answer follows from a result of this paper, without naming the result. The paper does not draw this consequence or mention the problem, and the derivation is made on the result page.

No file of this source is held: the arXiv license of the edition read does not permit its redistribution, the CC BY 4.0 journal version was not acquired, and the card cites the edition it names above.