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Statement
For integers and , is "the maximum number of edges in an -graph on vertices in which any vertices span less than edges" (p. 323); so is the largest number of triples on points with no four points spanning three triples, the Turán number of the 3-graph on four vertices with three edges. Theorem 3 (p. 325):
"The upper bound was proved by Caen [2]. Let us mention that the lower bound of the theorem was proved independently by Giraud [5] also" (p. 325; [2] is D. de Caen, Ars Combinatoria 16 (1983) 5--10, and [5] "G. Giraud, Private communication by Paul Erdös", p. 328). The lower bound comes from Section 2, "A remark on " (pp. 324-325): once four points may span up to two edges rather than exactly zero or two, edges can be added to the six-class blow-up of Example 1 iteratively, by splitting each class into six sets, adding the triples that follow the pattern across those sets, and repeating inside each set; "Making the partitions always as equal as possible, finally one obtains edges." Since , that is . The introduction (pp. 323-324) records the target: "Turàn (cf. [3, 7]) conjectured that is asymptotic to ", and already with "has more than edges which is more than , disproving Turàn's conjecture".
Source. P. Frankl and Z. Füredi, An exact result for 3-graphs, Discrete Math. 50 (1984), 323--328, doi:10.1016/0012-365X(84)90058-X (the Crossref record); Theorem 3 on printed p. 325 = PDF p. 3 of the six-page publisher scan (printed p. = PDF p. ), read on the page image, with pp. 323-324 and 328 read for the definition, the conjecture and the references. The artifact is identified in the source digest.
Read depth. Claims checked: the statement, the definition of , the Section 2 construction paragraph and the attribution sentences were read clause by clause on the page images. The count was not replayed, and de Caen's proof of the upper bound is not in the paper.
Proof pointer
Lower bound: the iterated construction of Section 2 (pp. 324-325), starting from Example 1's (the blow-up of the ten-triple 3-graph on six points, p. 323). Upper bound: de Caen (reference [2]), not held.
Dependencies
De Caen's upper bound (external, not held); the six-point 3-graph of p. 323 and Example 1.
Bears on
- Problem 794: the site's commentary reads the problem as asking for the density of , and the problem page records that reading as a variant with its own answer, not as a corrected statement. For that variant the lower bound gives the site's , which the site calls the conjectured truth, the p. 324 disproof sentence refutes Turán's (density ), and the upper bound stated here is de Caen's . The iterated construction also has more than triples on points for large , which the problem's claim page for this paper uses against the statement as printed.