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Claim. The second question of Problem 367, whether for every fixed , has answer no. For the bound is trivial, since the product is at most . For every it fails: there is with
for infinitely many , and the product over consecutive integers is at least the product over the first three. The construction, posted by Wouter van Doorn in the problem's thread on 2025-11-20, takes the solutions of and , so that and are both powerful and ; the point is that has a large powerful part along a subsequence. Van Doorn posted the congruence that gives it, along indices , as an assumption to be checked. Terence Tao, with the assistance of Gemini Deepthink, proved it the same day: with one has , by induction in , and for this gives . Since , the product at is at least . The first question, the bound , is untouched by this.
Submission note. Posted to the site's forum by Terence Tao on 20 November 2025:
Gemini Deepthink confirms that your argument negatively answers the second version of the problem. One can streamline the argument as follows:
- Define , where $\alpha = 3 + \sqrt{8}$ (so ). Then \begin{align*} n_j &= 8 \times \left[\frac{\alpha^j - \alpha^{-j}}{2\sqrt{8}}\right]^2 \ n_j+1 &= \left[\frac{\alpha^j + \alpha^{-j}}{2}\right]^2 \ n_j+2 &= \frac{\alpha^{2j} + 6 + \alpha^{-2j}}{4} \end{align*} and both expressions in brackets are integers (OEIS A001109 and A001541 respectively). In particular, is a natural number (OEIS A132592), with already -full.
- Observe the identity $\alpha^{\pm 3} = 99 \pm 35 \sqrt{8} = - 1 + 5 \times (20 \pm 7 \sqrt{8})$. By induction one can show that $\alpha^{\pm 3 \times 5^{t-1}} = -1 + 5^t (a_t \pm b_t \sqrt{8})$ for various integers and all .
Now we set (which is an integer) and compute \begin{align*} 4(n_{j_t}+2) &= \alpha^{-1} \alpha^{3 \times 5^{t-1}} + 6 + \alpha \alpha^{-3 \times 5^{t-1}} \ &= (3-\sqrt{8}) (-1 + 5^t (a_t + b_t \sqrt{8})) + 6 + (3+\sqrt{8}) (-1 + 5^t (a_t - b_t \sqrt{8}))\ &= 5^t (6 a_t - 16 b_t) \end{align*} giving the key claim . Thus for
This looks within range of being "vibe formalizable" in Lean, if anyone wants to give it a shot.
Covers. The second question (the part strong_bound), answered no for
every with the growth rate infinitely often; for
the bound holds trivially. Not covered: the first question (the part
weak_bound), which stays open.
Depends on. Nothing in this wiki; the argument is complete in the two thread posts.
Standing. Claimed. The result exists in the thread and in the Lean file
below; it has no arXiv posting, no journal record and no independent review
other than Tao's completion. The site's commentary credits van Doorn with
the failure for all and the rate, but the site labels the
problem OPEN (page last edited 23 March 2026) and lists no parts, so that
credit is not acceptance and no reviewed evidence is listed.
Formalization: the file Erdos367.lean in Boris Alexeev's lean-proofs
repository, pinned above at the commit of 2025-11-22, declares itself a
formalization of this result; its header names van Doorn as the finder of
the proof, says that the proof follows Tao's elaboration with the assistance
of Gemini Deepthink, and says that Aristotle, from Harmonic, auto-formalized
the argument from the LaTeX source and finished the proof against a
statement written by hand, the process operated by Alexeev. Its theorem
disproof_367 proves that no constant has
for all , the failure of the bound at
, not the rate. The formal-conjectures statement file,
the record link pinned at the commit of 2026-09-22, states the second
question as erdos_367.parts.ii with the answer False, tagged research
solved, and the variants k_le_two and k_ge_three_lower as solved, all
without proof. The corpus has built none of these files, so no formalized
evidence is listed. A later repository of Scott Hughes strengthens the rate
to an unbounded ratio against ; that is
a separate claim.