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Claim. The second question of Problem 367, whether ∏n≤m<n+kB2(m)≪kn2\prod_{n\le m<n+k}B_2(m)\ll_k n^2 for every fixed k≥1k\ge1, has answer no. For k≤2k\le2 the bound is trivial, since the product is at most n(n+1)≤2n2n(n+1)\le2n^2. For every k≥3k\ge3 it fails: there is c>0c>0 with

∏n≤m<n+3B2(m)>c n2log⁡n\prod_{n\le m<n+3}B_2(m)>c\,n^2\log n

for infinitely many nn, and the product over k≥3k\ge3 consecutive integers is at least the product over the first three. The construction, posted by Wouter van Doorn in the problem's thread on 2025-11-20, takes the solutions (xj,yj)(x_j,y_j) of x2−8y2=1x^2-8y^2=1 and nj=8yj2n_j=8y_j^2, so that njn_j and nj+1=xj2n_j+1=x_j^2 are both powerful and B2(nj)B2(nj+1)=nj(nj+1)B_2(n_j)B_2(n_j+1)=n_j(n_j+1); the point is that nj+2=xj2+1n_j+2=x_j^2+1 has a large powerful part along a subsequence. Van Doorn posted the congruence that gives it, 5t∣njt+25^t\mid n_{j_t}+2 along indices jtj_t, as an assumption to be checked. Terence Tao, with the assistance of Gemini Deepthink, proved it the same day: with α=3+8\alpha=3+\sqrt8 one has α±3=−1+5(20±78)\alpha^{\pm3}=-1+5(20\pm7\sqrt8), by induction α±3⋅5t−1≡−1(mod5t)\alpha^{\pm3\cdot5^{t-1}}\equiv-1\pmod{5^t} in Z[8]\mathbb{Z}[\sqrt8], and for jt=(3⋅5t−1−1)/2j_t=(3\cdot5^{t-1}-1)/2 this gives 5t∣njt+25^t\mid n_{j_t}+2. Since njt<xjt2=eO(5t)n_{j_t}<x_{j_t}^2=e^{O(5^t)}, the product at njtn_{j_t} is at least njt(njt+1)5t≫njt2log⁡njtn_{j_t}(n_{j_t}+1)5^t\gg n_{j_t}^2\log n_{j_t}. The first question, the bound n2+o(1)n^{2+o(1)}, is untouched by this.

Submission note. Posted to the site's forum by Terence Tao on 20 November 2025:

Gemini Deepthink confirms that your argument negatively answers the second version of the problem. One can streamline the argument as follows:

  1. Define nj=(α2j−2+α−2j)/4n_j = (\alpha^{2j} - 2 + \alpha^{-2j})/4, where $\alpha = 3 + \sqrt{8}$ (so α−1=3−8\alpha^{-1} = 3 - \sqrt{8}). Then \begin{align*} n_j &= 8 \times \left[\frac{\alpha^j - \alpha^{-j}}{2\sqrt{8}}\right]^2 \ n_j+1 &= \left[\frac{\alpha^j + \alpha^{-j}}{2}\right]^2 \ n_j+2 &= \frac{\alpha^{2j} + 6 + \alpha^{-2j}}{4} \end{align*} and both expressions in brackets are integers (OEIS A001109 and A001541 respectively). In particular, njn_j is a natural number (OEIS A132592), with nj,nj+1n_j, n_j+1 already 22-full.
  2. Observe the identity $\alpha^{\pm 3} = 99 \pm 35 \sqrt{8} = - 1 + 5 \times (20 \pm 7 \sqrt{8})$. By induction one can show that $\alpha^{\pm 3 \times 5^{t-1}} = -1 + 5^t (a_t \pm b_t \sqrt{8})$ for various integers at,bta_t,b_t and all t≥1t \geq 1.

Now we set jt:=(3×5t−1−1)/2j_t :=(3 \times 5^{t-1}-1)/2 (which is an integer) and compute \begin{align*} 4(n_{j_t}+2) &= \alpha^{-1} \alpha^{3 \times 5^{t-1}} + 6 + \alpha \alpha^{-3 \times 5^{t-1}} \ &= (3-\sqrt{8}) (-1 + 5^t (a_t + b_t \sqrt{8})) + 6 + (3+\sqrt{8}) (-1 + 5^t (a_t - b_t \sqrt{8}))\ &= 5^t (6 a_t - 16 b_t) \end{align*} giving the key claim 5t∣njt+25^t | n_{j_t}+2. Thus for t≥2t \geq 2

>∏njt≤m<njt+3B2(m)≥njt(njt+1)5t≫njt2log⁡njt.>> \prod_{n_{j_t} \leq m < n_{j_t}+3} B_2(m) \geq n_{j_t} (n_{j_t}+1) 5^t \gg n_{j_t}^2 \log n_{j_t}. >

This looks within range of being "vibe formalizable" in Lean, if anyone wants to give it a shot.

Covers. The second question (the part strong_bound), answered no for every k≥3k\ge3 with the growth rate n2log⁡nn^2\log n infinitely often; for k≤2k\le2 the bound holds trivially. Not covered: the first question (the part weak_bound), which stays open.

Depends on. Nothing in this wiki; the argument is complete in the two thread posts.

Standing. Claimed. The result exists in the thread and in the Lean file below; it has no arXiv posting, no journal record and no independent review other than Tao's completion. The site's commentary credits van Doorn with the failure for all k≥3k\ge3 and the n2log⁡nn^2\log n rate, but the site labels the problem OPEN (page last edited 23 March 2026) and lists no parts, so that credit is not acceptance and no reviewed evidence is listed. Formalization: the file Erdos367.lean in Boris Alexeev's lean-proofs repository, pinned above at the commit of 2025-11-22, declares itself a formalization of this result; its header names van Doorn as the finder of the proof, says that the proof follows Tao's elaboration with the assistance of Gemini Deepthink, and says that Aristotle, from Harmonic, auto-formalized the argument from the LaTeX source and finished the proof against a statement written by hand, the process operated by Alexeev. Its theorem disproof_367 proves that no constant CC has ∏n≤m<n+3B2(m)≤Cn2\prod_{n\le m<n+3}B_2(m)\le Cn^2 for all nn, the failure of the bound at k=3k=3, not the n2log⁡nn^2\log n rate. The formal-conjectures statement file, the record link pinned at the commit of 2026-09-22, states the second question as erdos_367.parts.ii with the answer False, tagged research solved, and the variants k_le_two and k_ge_three_lower as solved, all without proof. The corpus has built none of these files, so no formalized evidence is listed. A later repository of Scott Hughes strengthens the rate to an unbounded ratio against n2log⁡nn^2\log n; that is a separate claim.